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05-17-2005, 02:11 PM
#3001
Trying to keep the fast guys down here on their toes. The track at speedline is really good on tires. To tell you the truth the second run is usually the best , right as it wears off the ridge in the center of the tire. If you run a fresh set every run i would suggest atleast a lap or two on them at the start of the day to scuff them in. I usually run a fresh set at the start of the day and after the qualifiers i will throw on a new set for the main. Keep in mind this is for the club races..... For the nats i will fo sho run a new set for every round.
05-17-2005, 02:16 PM
#3002
Bob - I agree with that. After some time on rubbers now, I do feel that they require a lot more insight and concentration on chassis setup. When I first started running on them, I was surprised how much of a difference chassis changes make while running them, how little steering they provide on a baseline setup and how unforgiving they are if you're off a little bit on your setup.
Foams on carpet are definitely the easiest to run. You can be a mile off on setup and still chuck the car around a bit. You can also dive in really, really hard and not worry about getting loose.
Overall, though, I'm having a ton of fun on rubber tires. They've really made me sharpen my skills at chassis tuning and it's only going to benefit me on carpet knowing ahead of time what the car will do with certain changes being implemented.
Also, I must say it's been an absolute pleasure running with Cuffs and Joel (and all the guys for that matter) on a weekly basis at Jackson. We all know how Cuffs can wheel, but I think Jeff would agree with me that Joel is just still on a whole other level. It's cool because I know it's sharpened me a lot and made me see how much farther I have to go to understand chassis setup in tune with my particular driving style. Ray Darroch and I were both commenting on Sunday how attuned Joel is to making his car work best with his driving style (which is basically perfect
).
A lot of guys are so bent on making themselves drive to someone else's setup when they should be making the car work for them.
Foams on carpet are definitely the easiest to run. You can be a mile off on setup and still chuck the car around a bit. You can also dive in really, really hard and not worry about getting loose.
Overall, though, I'm having a ton of fun on rubber tires. They've really made me sharpen my skills at chassis tuning and it's only going to benefit me on carpet knowing ahead of time what the car will do with certain changes being implemented.
Also, I must say it's been an absolute pleasure running with Cuffs and Joel (and all the guys for that matter) on a weekly basis at Jackson. We all know how Cuffs can wheel, but I think Jeff would agree with me that Joel is just still on a whole other level. It's cool because I know it's sharpened me a lot and made me see how much farther I have to go to understand chassis setup in tune with my particular driving style. Ray Darroch and I were both commenting on Sunday how attuned Joel is to making his car work best with his driving style (which is basically perfect
).A lot of guys are so bent on making themselves drive to someone else's setup when they should be making the car work for them.
05-17-2005, 05:12 PM
#3005
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05-17-2005, 05:41 PM
#3006
Originally posted by N4S
Do you guys use any traction compound on the rubbers when you run them ?
Do you guys use any traction compound on the rubbers when you run them ?
05-17-2005, 06:07 PM
#3007
Mr. Williams is correct. A bad setup on rubbers and it shows. I should know after my performance this past weekend..LOL The only good thing about my poor performance was able to see you guys wheel in the 19 turn A main. Joel was 100% perfect each and every lap. It showed me the line, but with my car not behaving I couldn't touch it.
05-17-2005, 06:09 PM
#3008
Originally posted by jdwca
N4S - Gotcha. Yeah, Freddy picked up the Yokomo Masami/Hara/whatever tire sander thingy. That thing is so cool. I'm gonna git myself one. Sand that ridge down and no worries for your first two laps.
N4S - Gotcha. Yeah, Freddy picked up the Yokomo Masami/Hara/whatever tire sander thingy. That thing is so cool. I'm gonna git myself one. Sand that ridge down and no worries for your first two laps.
. It does help to take the flashing off, it's comparable to not getting all the "sauce" out of foam tires. Squirmy for a few hard corners.
05-17-2005, 06:13 PM
#3009
I have done about all kinds of tire traction additive testing, and to be honest, on the clock i run the same laps not matter if it's buggy grip, paragon, gripper, niftech, etc. The past few asphalt races I have just cleaned them with motor spray and put them down dry, and it runs the same laps on the clock. To each his own I guess.
Tag- Any way to pack the track in your van, us rednecks "down here" need some track testing time too .
Tag- Any way to pack the track in your van, us rednecks "down here" need some track testing time too
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05-17-2005, 06:15 PM
#3010
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compound on rubber tires
we have tended to use Trinity Tire Tweak on rubber tires, but potentially less depending on the amount of VHT on the track
The key question I have is tire warmers, which I do hear do a great job of 'baking in' the compound and making the first couple of laps better.
I know Freddy has/uses tire warmers, but obviously depends on the temperature that day.
The key question I have is tire warmers, which I do hear do a great job of 'baking in' the compound and making the first couple of laps better.
I know Freddy has/uses tire warmers, but obviously depends on the temperature that day.
05-18-2005, 04:56 AM
#3015
Congrats, TK! I remember the relief well.
Brandon - yeah, I hear ya. I was doing the dremel trick myself, but the sander thingy is so much quicker and more true, ya know? Just a minute with a file and the tires are ready to roll. The dremel makes the tires look more like a hack job to me.
Re: tire sauce. I also agree. I've tried everything on the tires--baking them in with the tire warmers, tire tweak, buggy grip, zip grip, zip free, paragon, red dot, et al., and I notice absolutely no difference. New tires are the way to go--simple as that.
I basically just sand down the little lip in the middle and send 'em. If they're one run old then I do the same as you, clean 'em with some motor spray and send 'em. I noticed the same thing with the tire sauces--no difference on the clock. In fact, I found my first two laps easier to drive with the tires dry.
Brandon - yeah, I hear ya. I was doing the dremel trick myself, but the sander thingy is so much quicker and more true, ya know? Just a minute with a file and the tires are ready to roll. The dremel makes the tires look more like a hack job to me.
Re: tire sauce. I also agree. I've tried everything on the tires--baking them in with the tire warmers, tire tweak, buggy grip, zip grip, zip free, paragon, red dot, et al., and I notice absolutely no difference. New tires are the way to go--simple as that.
I basically just sand down the little lip in the middle and send 'em. If they're one run old then I do the same as you, clean 'em with some motor spray and send 'em. I noticed the same thing with the tire sauces--no difference on the clock. In fact, I found my first two laps easier to drive with the tires dry.