Xray Suspension
#16
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Re: Re: Pivot Ball users unite!
Originally posted by JKA
I'm not going to go so far as to say a pillowball car connot handle as well as a c-hub car, but weight is definitely an issue if you are running carpet with foam tires (Roar weight is 1418 or so).
I'd be willing to bet that its impossible to get a pillowball car down to 1420 grams without major modifications to the pillowball system. Not to mention these changes would undermine its durability.
I use c-hub exclusively.
I'm not going to go so far as to say a pillowball car connot handle as well as a c-hub car, but weight is definitely an issue if you are running carpet with foam tires (Roar weight is 1418 or so).
I'd be willing to bet that its impossible to get a pillowball car down to 1420 grams without major modifications to the pillowball system. Not to mention these changes would undermine its durability.
I use c-hub exclusively.
#17
Re: Re: Re: Pivot Ball users unite!
Originally posted by Impulse_racer
My car weighs 1lb 8oz static, no wheels, no batts and no motor.
My car weighs 1lb 8oz static, no wheels, no batts and no motor.
Originally posted by Impulse_racer
I have all the new light weight upgrades that are on the FK except the diff and rear bulkheads, which I can not find.
I have all the new light weight upgrades that are on the FK except the diff and rear bulkheads, which I can not find.
Originally posted by Impulse_racer
I did switch to the short arms when they came out. Trust me, my Xray does not give away anything to ANY car at my track, pillow balls and all.
I did switch to the short arms when they came out. Trust me, my Xray does not give away anything to ANY car at my track, pillow balls and all.
#18
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Originally posted by cartmen34
Yes, I'd also be interested in hearing what parts you are using. I was unaware they released a short pivot ball suspension kit.... ??
Yes, I'd also be interested in hearing what parts you are using. I was unaware they released a short pivot ball suspension kit.... ??
#19
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Pivot Ball users unite!
Originally posted by JKA
Whats it weigh RTR?
How are you running front pillowballs with the FK front bulkheads?
This is interesting... how are you running the front pillowball setup with short arms? I thought the short arms were only setup for c-hub.
Whats it weigh RTR?
How are you running front pillowballs with the FK front bulkheads?
This is interesting... how are you running the front pillowball setup with short arms? I thought the short arms were only setup for c-hub.
I am not using the FK front bulkheads. I can use the rear ones though.
I posted an answer to your last question.
#20
Cool. I see now. Your short arms still mount on the inside of the bulkheads. I was confusing that with the FK short arms which mount on the outside of the bulkheads.
#21
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c hubs r better
Last edited by pink pac man; 11-30-2004 at 05:42 PM.
#22
Hey!!!
I'm still using the PB suspension on my original T1 (the very first one). I agree on the convenience on changing of casters. No need to buy new caster blocks.
Regarding the PB suspension being too heavy, I haven't weighed it yet but I believe the a front PB assembly (arms, upright, axle) is still lighter to a C-hub assembly using the aluminum parts. Some people resort to aluminums to remedy the C-hub frailty (This only applies to drivers who still have issues with the barriers)
The PB suspension is harder to setup but it's a small price to pay to greater adjustibility possible. Just by moving clips, you can try out all possible caster without going out to buy a different block.
and my favorite part...
no more kingpins going loose on you.
impulse racer: thanks for the info re: the short arms. What else do I need to convert to the short arm?
I'm still using the PB suspension on my original T1 (the very first one). I agree on the convenience on changing of casters. No need to buy new caster blocks.
Regarding the PB suspension being too heavy, I haven't weighed it yet but I believe the a front PB assembly (arms, upright, axle) is still lighter to a C-hub assembly using the aluminum parts. Some people resort to aluminums to remedy the C-hub frailty (This only applies to drivers who still have issues with the barriers)
The PB suspension is harder to setup but it's a small price to pay to greater adjustibility possible. Just by moving clips, you can try out all possible caster without going out to buy a different block.
and my favorite part...
no more kingpins going loose on you.
impulse racer: thanks for the info re: the short arms. What else do I need to convert to the short arm?
#23
i heard tonight that to run it on carpet you cannot run size 28 tires u need to go to 26 or so
#26
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Originally posted by rough512
Hey!!!
I'm still using the PB suspension on my original T1 (the very first one). I agree on the convenience on changing of casters. No need to buy new caster blocks.
Regarding the PB suspension being too heavy, I haven't weighed it yet but I believe the a front PB assembly (arms, upright, axle) is still lighter to a C-hub assembly using the aluminum parts. Some people resort to aluminums to remedy the C-hub frailty (This only applies to drivers who still have issues with the barriers)
The PB suspension is harder to setup but it's a small price to pay to greater adjustibility possible. Just by moving clips, you can try out all possible caster without going out to buy a different block.
and my favorite part...
no more kingpins going loose on you.
impulse racer: thanks for the info re: the short arms. What else do I need to convert to the short arm?
Hey!!!
I'm still using the PB suspension on my original T1 (the very first one). I agree on the convenience on changing of casters. No need to buy new caster blocks.
Regarding the PB suspension being too heavy, I haven't weighed it yet but I believe the a front PB assembly (arms, upright, axle) is still lighter to a C-hub assembly using the aluminum parts. Some people resort to aluminums to remedy the C-hub frailty (This only applies to drivers who still have issues with the barriers)
The PB suspension is harder to setup but it's a small price to pay to greater adjustibility possible. Just by moving clips, you can try out all possible caster without going out to buy a different block.
and my favorite part...
no more kingpins going loose on you.
impulse racer: thanks for the info re: the short arms. What else do I need to convert to the short arm?
I don't even think the old T1 parts are still available. I still have a bunch because I never broke any to replace anything. So you should not need anything. If you have a FOC you should aready have the short arms. IF not then you will need the 2 rear axle/driveshafts, left and right wide offset front steering blocks, and the left and right short upper A arms. The lower A arms are the same.
#27
Originally posted by Impulse_racer
Yes they did. The original arms were part #302130, 320140(right,left) the newer parts are #302131, 302141. They introduced them with the wide offset steering blocks, part #302211,302221 when the EVO II was released. With the EVO II Xray began using the same axles and shocks front and rear, the original T1 did not.
Yes they did. The original arms were part #302130, 320140(right,left) the newer parts are #302131, 302141. They introduced them with the wide offset steering blocks, part #302211,302221 when the EVO II was released. With the EVO II Xray began using the same axles and shocks front and rear, the original T1 did not.
.... got it now. thanks!
#28
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Originally posted by pink pac man
c hubs r better
c hubs r better
#29
Originally posted by Impulse_racer
All I know is that I took the time to get my car properly setup and I give nothin away to the Associateds, Losis, and HPIs, that run at my track.
All I know is that I took the time to get my car properly setup and I give nothin away to the Associateds, Losis, and HPIs, that run at my track.
Its a good car in either form, though I do still believe it would be impossible to be underweight RTR with PB suspension for carpet racing with foam tires. Its not a bad rap... the weight is just fact.
Much like the durability... PB Xrays do NOT break! lol
PB does make caster changes easier, but you have to put your car on a setup board EVERYTIME you run to make sure you still have the right caster, camber, and track width. The only one of those you need to worry about with the c-hub is the camber.
I guess I'm lazy! I'll keep my c-hubs.
#30
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Originally posted by JKA
I had a buddy that ran the PB suspension for a couple of seasons. He was the first local guy to have an xray and he proved it was competitive with ALL other manufacturers.
Its a good car in either form, though I do still believe it would be impossible to be underweight RTR with PB suspension for carpet racing with foam tires. Its not a bad rap... the weight is just fact.
Much like the durability... PB Xrays do NOT break! lol
PB does make caster changes easier, but you have to put your car on a setup board EVERYTIME you run to make sure you still have the right caster, camber, and track width. The only one of those you need to worry about with the c-hub is the camber.
I guess I'm lazy! I'll keep my c-hubs.
I had a buddy that ran the PB suspension for a couple of seasons. He was the first local guy to have an xray and he proved it was competitive with ALL other manufacturers.
Its a good car in either form, though I do still believe it would be impossible to be underweight RTR with PB suspension for carpet racing with foam tires. Its not a bad rap... the weight is just fact.
Much like the durability... PB Xrays do NOT break! lol
PB does make caster changes easier, but you have to put your car on a setup board EVERYTIME you run to make sure you still have the right caster, camber, and track width. The only one of those you need to worry about with the c-hub is the camber.
I guess I'm lazy! I'll keep my c-hubs.
In other words the settings hold.
As far the weight is concerned, pull the motor, batteries, and wheels off your car and weigh it. Mine weighs 1lb 8oz. Or weigh the wheels, motor, and batteries and add 1lb 8oz. I don't think I am at a weight disadvantage. I am curious if I am or not. I am guessing my car weighs RTR about what an aluminum C-hub Xray weighs RTR.
Last edited by Impulse_racer; 11-30-2004 at 11:04 PM.