Tamiya F104 Pro!
#1009
The biggest disadvantage is rear tyre width. F103 rears are about 10mm wider than the F104 rears.
#1011
The mod that SRBMOJO did solves that problem by allowing you to run F103 fronts. I am working on something similar. I'll keep you guys posted.
#1013
Yeh but that makes the rear end 20mm wider than the front. Ideally you'd want to maintain similar track width front and rear.
#1014
1/10 F1 IS FOR F1 FANATICS WHO LOVE TO RACE THE REAL THING JUST DOWNSIZED. You want all out performance than this aint the category for you.
#1015
Agreed. But I can also understand people getting frustrated when racing against wider cars (ie every other F1 chassis) and being discouraged. And most tracks/events won't be segregating the F104s just yet as numbers are low. Perhaps TCS next year???
#1016
Tech Master
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i agree with both of you. it just sucks that the f104 looks and dives so go but cant compete with the 103. so far it looks like hpi formula ten and the f104 are the only 180-190mm with chassis f1 cars, not sure about the 3racing f109. maby there should be two classes (103,104) so everybody is happy. all the 103 people will not be happy if they cant race their car.
#1017
Sometimes you need to move on. Rules change. Before you had 190mm touring cars people ran 240mm touring. Thank god they"ve changed. A F1 pan chassis has great performance but will allways lacks downforce. Therefore Tamiya hasn't gone nuts with a 17 turn actopower motor butt have wisely chosen a 32 turn motor and the faster the motor bigger the disadvantage of the F104 will come to light. Tamiya has done it right (and so has HPI) this time not like that stupid 1998 McLaren bodies on a 200mm car or the F201. Lets keep it this way.
#1018
I do like my 04 but in hindsight I should have waited for the F109 from 3 racing.
It will be interesting to see if the non-pro F104 handles better.
#1019
F103-15 years of development
F104-4 months
F104-4 months
#1020
Interesting RC conundrum with 104 and 103.
This much we all know, if you split the classes racing and participation in general will suffer.
The latest in RC is taken from the latest in full scale, so 104 and F10 should be the standard for racing along with tall & narrow rubber tires just like real F1. Solution is kind of ugly but the day of the 103 and other wide chassis F1s is over. That look no longer exist in real F1 so now you are racing a vintage class. if F1 cars change in a few years and HPI & Tamiya & others follow then RC racing should follow to stay current.
The only other and probably best solution would be sanctioning bodies coming up with class rules just like they did with touring cars but that's not in the cards for now.
As for different motor classes, bad idea again. Don't re-invent the wheel, take a page out of very successful RCGT, one motor and from there drivers' skills organically will split the classes. Dump the cheat prone brushed (it ruined 2wd mini cooper class for all) brushless only and a strict esc rule to go with no SPX etc.
Anyway happy racing
This much we all know, if you split the classes racing and participation in general will suffer.
The latest in RC is taken from the latest in full scale, so 104 and F10 should be the standard for racing along with tall & narrow rubber tires just like real F1. Solution is kind of ugly but the day of the 103 and other wide chassis F1s is over. That look no longer exist in real F1 so now you are racing a vintage class. if F1 cars change in a few years and HPI & Tamiya & others follow then RC racing should follow to stay current.
The only other and probably best solution would be sanctioning bodies coming up with class rules just like they did with touring cars but that's not in the cards for now.
As for different motor classes, bad idea again. Don't re-invent the wheel, take a page out of very successful RCGT, one motor and from there drivers' skills organically will split the classes. Dump the cheat prone brushed (it ruined 2wd mini cooper class for all) brushless only and a strict esc rule to go with no SPX etc.
Anyway happy racing