2012 U.S. VTA+ SOUTHERN NATIONALS in MUSIC CITY, U.S.A.
09-20-2012, 08:13 AM
#691
For those of you that did not make it last year or this is going to be your first major/traveling race, understand we already know Dave Johnson is going to win VTA. So don't stress coming trying to win it all. But the awesome things about this event is 1. you get to watch Dave Johnson drive around the track. He is so perfectly smooth and hits every single mark nearly every single time. That alone is worth the trip. 2. You get to listen to Myron explain how much faster he is than Dave Johnson but because he is the promoter he is just unable to get out there and show him up is fun to listen to. 3. The people you will meet and all the hanging out is one of the best things about this race. When Myron promises you are going to have a blast no matter what place you come in he means it and I believe EVERYONE with the exception of that dude that started the VTA Woes thread will agree. I think in the spirit of VTA this Nationals is way more laid back than any other type I have been to. Get ready guys it's going to be awesome (again except for Chris who will find a way to have a bad time). Good luck everyone, can't wait to meet you all. I will be the guy stuck listening to Myron explain why it would be wrong for him to win his own race, or why VTA is better than anything else, or why I should not be running 1/12 and running VTA or something else. Just please if you see me stuck come save me.
Damn is it Fri yet?
Damn is it Fri yet?
09-20-2012, 08:19 AM
#693
For those of you that did not make it last year or this is going to be your first major/traveling race, understand we already know Dave Johnson is going to win VTA. So don't stress coming trying to win it all. But the awesome things about this event is 1. you get to watch Dave Johnson drive around the track. He is so perfectly smooth and hits every single mark nearly every single time. That alone is worth the trip. 2. You get to listen to Myron explain how much faster he is than Dave Johnson but because he is the promoter he is just unable to get out there and show him up is fun to listen to. 3. The people you will meet and all the hanging out is one of the best things about this race. When Myron promises you are going to have a blast no matter what place you come in he means it and I believe EVERYONE with the exception of that dude that started the VTA Woes thread will agree. I think in the spirit of VTA this Nationals is way more laid back than any other type I have been to. Get ready guys it's going to be awesome (again except for Chris who will find a way to have a bad time). Good luck everyone, can't wait to meet you all. I will be the guy stuck listening to Myron explain why it would be wrong for him to win his own race, or why VTA is better than anything else, or why I should not be running 1/12 and running VTA or something else. Just please if you see me stuck come save me.
Damn is it Fri yet?
Damn is it Fri yet?
oh and I will have to be hearing about why Melvin is going to erika iglesias concert instead of coming to the greatest race all year.
09-20-2012, 09:08 AM
#696
For those of you that did not make it last year or this is going to be your first major/traveling race, understand we already know Dave Johnson is going to win VTA. So don't stress coming trying to win it all. But the awesome things about this event is 1. you get to watch Dave Johnson drive around the track. He is so perfectly smooth and hits every single mark nearly every single time. That alone is worth the trip.
Damn is it Fri yet?
Damn is it Fri yet?
09-20-2012, 09:16 AM
#697
Count me in for two sets of the Jaco Blues.
09-20-2012, 10:53 AM
#703
NEW RULES EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1, 2010. Click here for new rules pdf file
Rules updated 09.10.2012. All rules subject to change and expansion should need arise.
It is highly suggested that all indoor carpet tracks use these rules exactly as they are written with no deviations. Please try to keep it consistent and fair for everyone who may attend your track from around the country.
Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications
Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.
Bolink part numbers:
BL2262 '68 Chevrolet Camaro
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2262
BL2263 '65 Ford Mustang
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2263
HPI part numbers:
17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
17531 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28
17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
104926 - 1966 FORD MUSTANG GT COUPE BODY
For the HPI Mustangs which are not provided with a spoiler:
A lexan spoiler of 16mm total height from trunk deck, and overall chord of 20mm is allowable. All other bodies must use the spoiler included with that specific body set. Built in spoilers may not be enhanced. 17546 - 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 (scale wing ok)
105106 - 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER BODY
Parma part numbers:
10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
10113 - 1970 'Cuda
Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS
PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda
PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang
Protoform part numbers:
#1526 - J71
McAllister Racing part numbers:
#286- 1969 Mustang body
Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunk lid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.
All cars must include a driver figure consisting of at least a head and shoulders.
Driver Figure part numbers (ANY suitable 1/10 driver figure is legal-these are readily available examples)
HPI
#104815 INNER BODY SET FOR DT-1 TRUCK BODY
Associated
6180 Driver, unpainted, 1:10
McAllister
#423 Stock Interior and Driver
#419 SPRINT CAR DRIVER
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 "front" and #4797 "rear", using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. All other tires and/or part numbers are illegal. Wheels and tires designated as "front" must be used as front tires/wheels, "rear" wheels/tires must used as rears. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860, Vintage Wheel CC Type #33472 and #33473, Vintage Wheel DTP Type #33474 and #33475 are all legal wheels.
Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks and HPI Vintage Performance Tires are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.
Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.
Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor.
Approved ESCs:
Novak-
Club Brushless ESC (#1852)
EDGE 2S Brushless ESC (#1850, 1851)
Mongoose Micro Brushless/Brush ESC (#1718)
GTB 2 Racing w/X-Drive (#1749)
GTB 2 Racing w/X-Drive- Low Profile (#1748)
GTB 2 Sportsman Racing Brushless ESC (#1708, 1709)
GTB series part numbers:1710, 1711
Havoc series part numbers:1732, 1733, 1735
Slyder part number: 1712
XBR (DISCONTINUED) part number:1720
LRP
A.i. Brushless Reverse part numbers: LRP80100, LRP80150
SPEED PASSION
Cirtix Stock Club Race ESC part number: 12280
Reventon Stock Club Race part number:SP000048
HOBBYWING
JUSTOCK Club ESC (same esc, but differing part numbers)-
Falcon Sekido Part #
Hobbywing Justock Black: 81020001 (Black)
Hobbywing Justock blue 81020000 (Blue)
CRC Part #
7014 - Hobbywing XERUN Juststock Club No timing ESC - Sensored
Battery Specifications:
Battery Specifications: 2 cell LiPo hard cased, 5000 mAh limit
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Weight Specification:
Minimum 1550g in race-ready trim
Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers
- 8 minute mains
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.
Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
USGT Class Rules and Specifications
Chassis Specification:
Any 1/10 4wd or Fwd sedan with 4 wheel independent suspension.
Weight Specification:
4wd 1450g weight Fwd 1200g weight
Body Specifications:
Any 190mm or 200mm body. Body can be any body that is NOT on the ROAR T2 body list. FWD encouraged to use FWD bodies However, Can AM or IMSA style bodies, similar to 1/12 or 1/8 bodies are also discouraged NO Trucks
Any "SCALE" molded wings can be used. Lexan wings 10mm maximum height / side dam height
Scale type race liveries encouraged
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
Tires-Any treaded (non slick) non belted rubber tire available 24 or 26mm. Removing belts from belted tires is not allowed. Must used a non-molded (ex. open cell foam) insert or no insert. Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed.
Wheels- Any 24 or 26mm spoke (non-dish) type wheel
While the above is the ideal for this class, a track, event, or series may approve a premounted tire, slick tires being acceptable. A spoked wheel is encouraged if possible for premounted tires
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Motor Specifications:
21.5 + 2s lipo batteries No tuning rotors, must use OEM rotor 12.3-12.5mm
Approved ESCs:
ESC ROAR approved spec software or USVTA list
Race Specification:
6 minute qualifiers
8 minute mains
Battery Specifications:
ROAR approved hard case batteries
Rules updated 09.10.2012. All rules subject to change and expansion should need arise.
It is highly suggested that all indoor carpet tracks use these rules exactly as they are written with no deviations. Please try to keep it consistent and fair for everyone who may attend your track from around the country.
Trans Am Class Rules and Specifications
Body Specifications:
Late '60s to early '70s American pony car Vintage Trans-Am bodies only.
Bolink part numbers:
BL2262 '68 Chevrolet Camaro
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2262
BL2263 '65 Ford Mustang
Also known as RJ Speed Part # BOL2263
HPI part numbers:
17510 - 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda
7494 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro
17531 - 1969 CHEVROLET CAMARO Z28
17508 - 1965 Ford Shelby GT-350
17519 - 1966 Ford Mustang GT
104926 - 1966 FORD MUSTANG GT COUPE BODY
For the HPI Mustangs which are not provided with a spoiler:
A lexan spoiler of 16mm total height from trunk deck, and overall chord of 20mm is allowable. All other bodies must use the spoiler included with that specific body set. Built in spoilers may not be enhanced. 17546 - 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 (scale wing ok)
105106 - 1970 DODGE CHALLENGER BODY
Parma part numbers:
10143 - 1969 Z28 Camaro
10141 - 1970 Boss Mustang
10113 - 1970 'Cuda
Pegasus Hobbies part numbers:
PGH4001 - 1970 Camaro SS
PGH4002 - 1970 'Cuda
PGH4003 - 1970 Mustang
Protoform part numbers:
#1526 - J71
McAllister Racing part numbers:
#286- 1969 Mustang body
Body provided deck lid spoilers allowed (not wings). No additional skirts or raised/extended wings or air control surfaces allowed. Body must be trimmed at body trim lines. Full rear bumper required. It is highly preferred that bodies are detailed in race type livery in period-correct paint schemes. Fluorescent colors, wild graphics, chromes and non-period correct paint schemes are frowned upon. All cars must have a number on the hood, both doors and trunk lid. Wheel covers of any type are NOT allowed.
All cars must include a driver figure consisting of at least a head and shoulders.
Driver Figure part numbers (ANY suitable 1/10 driver figure is legal-these are readily available examples)
HPI
#104815 INNER BODY SET FOR DT-1 TRUCK BODY
Associated
6180 Driver, unpainted, 1:10
McAllister
#423 Stock Interior and Driver
#419 SPRINT CAR DRIVER
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
The only tires allowed are HPI tire part #4793 "front" and #4797 "rear", using stock tire inserts provided with tire and any HPI Vintage wheels designed to fit these tires. All other tires and/or part numbers are illegal. Wheels and tires designated as "front" must be used as front tires/wheels, "rear" wheels/tires must used as rears. Five or Eight spoke wheels available in various colors. 0mm offset front wheels and 6mm offset rear wheels are intended for 26mm width fronts and 31mm width rear tires. 8-spoke Vintage wheels from #3805 through #3814, 5-spoke Vintage wheels from #3815 through #3822 and Vintage stock car wheels from #3854 through #3860, Vintage Wheel CC Type #33472 and #33473, Vintage Wheel DTP Type #33474 and #33475 are all legal wheels.
Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed. HPI Vintage Slicks and HPI Vintage Performance Tires are not allowed. Tire traction compounds are at the discretion of the track. No other altering, changing or softening of the tire is allowed. No "double stuffing" of foam inserts allowed—only single stock vintage tire inserts are allowed.
Chassis Specification:
Four Wheel Drive touring car chassis only. Any era or brand 4wd chassis is allowed. An Excel spreadsheet gear ratio and final drive ratio calculator for most touring car chassis is available here.
Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor.
Approved ESCs:
Novak-
Club Brushless ESC (#1852)
EDGE 2S Brushless ESC (#1850, 1851)
Mongoose Micro Brushless/Brush ESC (#1718)
GTB 2 Racing w/X-Drive (#1749)
GTB 2 Racing w/X-Drive- Low Profile (#1748)
GTB 2 Sportsman Racing Brushless ESC (#1708, 1709)
GTB series part numbers:1710, 1711
Havoc series part numbers:1732, 1733, 1735
Slyder part number: 1712
XBR (DISCONTINUED) part number:1720
LRP
A.i. Brushless Reverse part numbers: LRP80100, LRP80150
SPEED PASSION
Cirtix Stock Club Race ESC part number: 12280
Reventon Stock Club Race part number:SP000048
HOBBYWING
JUSTOCK Club ESC (same esc, but differing part numbers)-
Falcon Sekido Part #
Hobbywing Justock Black: 81020001 (Black)
Hobbywing Justock blue 81020000 (Blue)
CRC Part #
7014 - Hobbywing XERUN Juststock Club No timing ESC - Sensored
Battery Specifications:
Battery Specifications: 2 cell LiPo hard cased, 5000 mAh limit
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Weight Specification:
Minimum 1550g in race-ready trim
Race Specification:
- 5 minute qualifiers
- 8 minute mains
- Absolutely NO IFMAR-type starts. All heats and mains should be straight-up starts, with random sorts for each heat. Non random sorts should shuffle starting order for each heat.
Optional Main Variations:
- 12-20 car A-mains, depending on car counts.
- Invert qualifying order based on random hat pull (top 6-10 cars).
- "LeMans" type starts where all cars are lined up on an angle to the racing line in order.
- Run track in reverse rotation for mains.
- Rolling starts
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of VTA" Rule. The class is based on slower, equal playing field competition with less traction, minimal aerodynamic aids and mostly older carpet racing technology. The final objective is close, fair, wheel-to-wheel racing for all. All decisions of the race promoter or track owner are final.
USGT Class Rules and Specifications
Chassis Specification:
Any 1/10 4wd or Fwd sedan with 4 wheel independent suspension.
Weight Specification:
4wd 1450g weight Fwd 1200g weight
Body Specifications:
Any 190mm or 200mm body. Body can be any body that is NOT on the ROAR T2 body list. FWD encouraged to use FWD bodies However, Can AM or IMSA style bodies, similar to 1/12 or 1/8 bodies are also discouraged NO Trucks
Any "SCALE" molded wings can be used. Lexan wings 10mm maximum height / side dam height
Scale type race liveries encouraged
Tire & Wheel Specifications:
Tires-Any treaded (non slick) non belted rubber tire available 24 or 26mm. Removing belts from belted tires is not allowed. Must used a non-molded (ex. open cell foam) insert or no insert. Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed.
Wheels- Any 24 or 26mm spoke (non-dish) type wheel
While the above is the ideal for this class, a track, event, or series may approve a premounted tire, slick tires being acceptable. A spoked wheel is encouraged if possible for premounted tires
Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.
Motor Specifications:
21.5 + 2s lipo batteries No tuning rotors, must use OEM rotor 12.3-12.5mm
Approved ESCs:
ESC ROAR approved spec software or USVTA list
Race Specification:
6 minute qualifiers
8 minute mains
Battery Specifications:
ROAR approved hard case batteries
09-20-2012, 10:55 AM
#704
thats will be up to the race director...Im sure we will have controlled and open...
dang next year we start on Thursday....YUMMY!!!
PS..I would like to apologize to those racers I had to turn away...next year if the weather is this nice we might have some pitch a tent and pit outside...just a thought...
matter of fact..that might work this year...any takers?
dang next year we start on Thursday....YUMMY!!!
PS..I would like to apologize to those racers I had to turn away...next year if the weather is this nice we might have some pitch a tent and pit outside...just a thought...
matter of fact..that might work this year...any takers?
09-20-2012, 10:57 AM
#705
www.ustream.tv/channel/thunderrc video only and www.liverc.com will have both video and scoring
50 sets Jaco Blues $25 per set special price for this race.
50 sets Jaco Blues $25 per set special price for this race.