Go Back  R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road
12th scale front end wars...lol Double wishbone vs. Old school and reactive castor >

12th scale front end wars...lol Double wishbone vs. Old school and reactive castor

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

12th scale front end wars...lol Double wishbone vs. Old school and reactive castor

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-21-2011, 05:41 PM
  #31  
Tech Elite
 
odpurple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,192
Default

Originally Posted by wingman2
Here's another front end for you:
Thanks for posting that one Wingman. I really like the Laje front end, and ran it on the OD12 for a while. It's really one of the best front ends I've ever used. It is so adjustable you can really get yourself into trouble
odpurple is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 05:29 AM
  #32  
Tech Master
 
wingman2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Tewkesbury, UK via Plymouth, UK.
Posts: 1,259
Default

Originally Posted by odpurple
Thanks for posting that one Wingman. I really like the Laje front end, and ran it on the OD12 for a while. It's really one of the best front ends I've ever used. It is so adjustable you can really get yourself into trouble
No worries. The whole kit was quite expensive (for a 12th car) when I ordered it, but you could ask them to set the front end up with regards to castor/camber settings when they built it at the factory (the kit came pre-built).

There was some really nice touches though, and overall, with all the 'upgrades' that came with it, it was good value for money.

Nw car should be out soon.
wingman2 is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 02:35 PM
  #33  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (21)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,228
Trader Rating: 21 (100%+)
Default

The simpler things are in a minimalistic car like a 1/12th pan car, the better off you are going to be IMO. Just because the old skool front end is one molded piece does not mean that it's not adjustable, I change caster, camber, and track width all the time... Do you really want to get lost in adjusting your front end when 90% of the people I see at the track have a hard enough time getting the car balanced and tweaked flat? I don't anyway.
peter_robinson is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 03:26 PM
  #34  
Tech Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
tim fry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Kent UK
Posts: 606
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

How do you make those adjustments if it's moulded?
tim fry is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 03:49 PM
  #35  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (44)
 
YR4Dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 5,636
Trader Rating: 44 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by tim fry
How do you make those adjustments if it's moulded?
Shims.
YR4Dude is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 03:58 PM
  #36  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (21)
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,228
Trader Rating: 21 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by tim fry
How do you make those adjustments if it's moulded?
Indeed, a little shim here or there is all that's needed.
peter_robinson is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 04:12 PM
  #37  
Tech Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Infinite 12th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: California
Posts: 877
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by peter_robinson
The simpler things are in a minimalistic car like a 1/12th pan car, the better off you are going to be IMO. Just because the old skool front end is one molded piece does not mean that it's not adjustable, I change caster, camber, and track width all the time... Do you really want to get lost in adjusting your front end when 90% of the people I see at the track have a hard enough time getting the car balanced and tweaked flat? I don't anyway.
Keep it simple is good but the reactive castor is not so bad

Just mostly caster with those little spacers (And that's pretty easy just see if you need more onpower steering and increase castor)

And just setting camber so tires wear flat which takes a run or two to see how they are wearing also not so hard

That's me keeping it simple

Note:

I knows there more like spacing of steering arm or springs but I think the stock setting for the steering arm works fine for me and most run .020 although I like it when i can use .018 cause I like the steering massive
Infinite 12th is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 04:35 PM
  #38  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
 
Maybell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,109
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

I miss the old Delta front end.... adjustable everything while driving!
Maybell is offline  
Old 09-22-2011, 04:40 PM
  #39  
Tech Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Infinite 12th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: California
Posts: 877
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Maybell
I miss the old Delta front end.... adjustable everything while driving!
lol...I think I know what you mean



We used to run a lot of castor with those

At least outdoors at pit stop and briggs in La area
Infinite 12th is offline  
Old 10-14-2012, 08:54 PM
  #40  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (2)
 
Radio Active's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 7,132
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

I can see how to adjust caster easily enough on the Old School front end, but how are you adjusting camber?

Originally Posted by YR4Dude
Regardless of how well it works, "old skool" is old and it doesn't "look" good to sell product (ie. new kits).
It is 1/3 of the price though, that helps sell kits.
Radio Active is offline  
Old 10-14-2012, 09:26 PM
  #41  
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 429
Default

I take a piece of tape and put it on the half of the lower part of the arm where it touches the chassis. Either inside or outside of the arm depending on more or less camber, or stack pieces on top of each other. If you want to get fancy you can cut the thin CRC ride height adjusters so they are only touching half the arm making it possible to adjust camber.
avink007 is offline  
Old 10-14-2012, 10:58 PM
  #42  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (44)
 
YR4Dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: So Cal
Posts: 5,636
Trader Rating: 44 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Radio Active
I can see how to adjust caster easily enough on the Old School front end, but how are you adjusting camber?
Same way you adjust ride height.....shims.
YR4Dude is offline  
Old 10-14-2012, 11:46 PM
  #43  
Tech Champion
iTrader: (2)
 
Radio Active's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Newcastle, Australia
Posts: 7,132
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by YR4Dude
Same way you adjust ride height.....shims.
No offence, but Avink's answer was more informative. Does everyone do that, or do you use wedge shaped shims or something?
Radio Active is offline  
Old 10-15-2012, 05:40 AM
  #44  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (1)
 
CypressMidWest's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 4,617
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Radio Active
No offence, but Avink's answer was more informative. Does everyone do that, or do you use wedge shaped shims or something?
I used to use pieces of header card from parts packages. Just trim them so they rest against the mounting screws and extend to the outer base of the arm.
CypressMidWest is offline  
Old 10-15-2012, 08:20 AM
  #45  
Tech Addict
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 734
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Its not really even a war. Every camp seems to have their preference. You run a CRC you run their pro strut. You run AE you run the r5 dynamic. The guys designing the cars don't even care to touch others. Bruce wants nothing to do with a dynamic strut as I'm sure Frank has been set in his pro strut with no interest in changing.

Pick your car and run whatever the team guys are. (Hint, it comes in the box)
JoelV is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.