Serpent 733 1/10 200mm touring
#3227
Tech Champion
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Rear:
WB 2mm short
200mm width
4 camber
3 toe-in7mm shims on hub
Roll ctr bottom
2 hole piston/900cst/orange spring/3rd hole up
RH=6mm
40's tires
front 200K cst
Rear 20K cst (started with 50K then 30K and finally 20K)
No Rear Sway bar!!! No push
Meant 7mm on rear up-right for camber gain.
Very happy with the car. I think the DLS had alot to do with it. I didn't have a chance to run with the stock camber links
WB 2mm short
200mm width
4 camber
3 toe-in7mm shims on hub
Roll ctr bottom
2 hole piston/900cst/orange spring/3rd hole up
RH=6mm
40's tires
front 200K cst
Rear 20K cst (started with 50K then 30K and finally 20K)
No Rear Sway bar!!! No push
Meant 7mm on rear up-right for camber gain.
Very happy with the car. I think the DLS had alot to do with it. I didn't have a chance to run with the stock camber links
What if you didn't have the DLS? Would you be running 5k cst in the rear diff?
I don't get it. An extreme setup like that for the rear would be understandable if you didn't have the DLS. The whole point of the DLS was that it made soooo much traction in the rear that you would be running higher cst in your rear diff, less camber, less toe and more droop just to be able to get the car to turn. Paolo even had to use a rear sway in conjunction with the DLS because he wasn't able to get enough steering with the DLS on.
#3228
Tech Elite
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You ran a DLS with 40s in rear and 20k cst in the rear diff?
What if you didn't have the DLS? Would you be running 5k cst in the rear diff?
I don't get it. An extreme setup like that for the rear would be understandable if you didn't have the DLS. The whole point of the DLS was that it made soooo much traction in the rear that you would be running higher cst in your rear diff, less camber, less toe and more droop just to be able to get the car to turn. Paolo even had to use a rear sway in conjunction with the DLS because he wasn't able to get enough steering with the DLS on.
What if you didn't have the DLS? Would you be running 5k cst in the rear diff?
I don't get it. An extreme setup like that for the rear would be understandable if you didn't have the DLS. The whole point of the DLS was that it made soooo much traction in the rear that you would be running higher cst in your rear diff, less camber, less toe and more droop just to be able to get the car to turn. Paolo even had to use a rear sway in conjunction with the DLS because he wasn't able to get enough steering with the DLS on.
There was another racer there and we ran almost identical setups and we both were about as fast as anyone else except Paul L.
The results speak for themselves. Other than Paul Lemuix I was no slower than .2 off anyone elses fast lap. Fastest Lap 17.2 and in one of the triple A mains I think averaged 17.4 over 10 laps. Car was consistent all weekend.
Last edited by quietstorm76; 11-24-2010 at 02:18 PM.
#3229
US Open
and i used the DLS
- WB-1mm short all the way around.
- camber- (f) 1.5 (r) 4
- toe- (f) +.5 (r) -3.5
- caster- 5mm
- Roll Ctr (f) middle (r) lower
- piston- (f) #2 (r) # 4
- oil- 900wt all the way around
- RH- (f) 5.5 (r) 6
- Tires (f) 37 (r) 37
- The car was easy to drive fast..
and i used the DLS
Last edited by D-man; 11-24-2010 at 05:31 PM.
#3230
Tech Rookie
First of all did you get one yet? YOu've been doubting this "OPTIONAL" part since it came out yet you won't buy one a try it for yourself. Not sure why you think it supposed to give "God Like" rear traction. It makes the rear more stable and if you are capable, you can then drive the car harder into and out of the turns. Maybe Paolo likes a looser car. Scott Kimbrow runs the DLS with no sway bar but Paolo and DJ did.
There was another racer there and we ran almost identical setups and we both were about as fast as anyone else except Paul L.
The results speak for themselves. Other than Paul Lemuix I was no slower than .2 off anyone elses fast lap. Fastest Lap 17.2 and in one of the triple A mains I think averaged 17.4 over 10 laps. Car was consistent all weekend.
There was another racer there and we ran almost identical setups and we both were about as fast as anyone else except Paul L.
The results speak for themselves. Other than Paul Lemuix I was no slower than .2 off anyone elses fast lap. Fastest Lap 17.2 and in one of the triple A mains I think averaged 17.4 over 10 laps. Car was consistent all weekend.
Thank you
#3231
#3235
Tech Champion
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First of all did you get one yet? YOu've been doubting this "OPTIONAL" part since it came out yet you won't buy one a try it for yourself. Not sure why you think it supposed to give "God Like" rear traction. It makes the rear more stable and if you are capable, you can then drive the car harder into and out of the turns. Maybe Paolo likes a looser car. Scott Kimbrow runs the DLS with no sway bar but Paolo and DJ did.
There was another racer there and we ran almost identical setups and we both were about as fast as anyone else except Paul L.
The results speak for themselves. Other than Paul Lemuix I was no slower than .2 off anyone elses fast lap. Fastest Lap 17.2 and in one of the triple A mains I think averaged 17.4 over 10 laps. Car was consistent all weekend.
There was another racer there and we ran almost identical setups and we both were about as fast as anyone else except Paul L.
The results speak for themselves. Other than Paul Lemuix I was no slower than .2 off anyone elses fast lap. Fastest Lap 17.2 and in one of the triple A mains I think averaged 17.4 over 10 laps. Car was consistent all weekend.
#3236
Tech Champion
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Yes I have it and have ran it with 200000cst in the rear with a one way in the front and 45's in the rear, no rear sway. The rear end pops out a bit with the 45's but with 42's is just about right. My other Kamikaze team mate has also similar issues with the DLS and had also had to compensate with more droop, less toe in, less camber and harder rear shore and a rear sway bar.
Not one setup is right or wrong, just different. When we used to have Crystal Park the setups between CP and GLARC were different as well.
#3237
Tech Elite
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What works for us at the track in GLARCRC doesnt mean its gonna work for everyone else. One thing we have a lot of at GLARCRC is traction, so what we have to do to make the DLS work for us here in LA is different than what other people at other tracks have to do. Their settings might seem wierd to us, but thats what they have to do to make it work.
Not one setup is right or wrong, just different. When we used to have Crystal Park the setups between CP and GLARC were different as well.
Not one setup is right or wrong, just different. When we used to have Crystal Park the setups between CP and GLARC were different as well.
"Numbers mean nothing, only the performance on the track"
#3238
Tech Champion
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exactly what I was going to say. At the Worlds I ran 42's on the rear with a sway bar and I still had a push.My home track has NO! traction and I was still able to run 45's on the rear. It was slower but I could still be competitive. That setup I posted was way off from what I run at any other track but that's what it took to plant the car. In the words of DJ Apolaro:
"Numbers mean nothing, only the performance on the track"
"Numbers mean nothing, only the performance on the track"
#3239
Which leads to the point I originally made. If you had such an extreme setup with the DLS on then how would your car have handled when the DLS wasn't available? Like I said before, if you had to use 30000cst with the DLS, then what was it without? Sounds like your track is made of either ice or glass.
Laptimes were close but the DLS setup allowed me to run a Chevy Cruze which without was too nervous, and that made turn in better and also in the corner stability was better with DLS. At that track I did not find DLS gave less steering and because I could run the more agressive body laptimes were slightly faster and much more consistent.
In the ed it will be personal preference and track conditions that will decide what works for you. I think DLS will work wondes for consistency for most drivers. As it drasticly changes the rear end it will require a rethink (and thus experimentation) of the way we setup a car.
#3240
Tech Elite
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Which leads to the point I originally made. If you had such an extreme setup with the DLS on then how would your car have handled when the DLS wasn't available? Like I said before, if you had to use 30000cst with the DLS, then what was it without? Sounds like your track is made of either ice or glass.