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Old 11-24-2010 | 10:12 AM
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So we are getting a V2 of the B6?
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Old 11-24-2010 | 10:13 AM
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So we are getting a V2 of the B6?
Yes!!
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Old 11-24-2010 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Werks
Thanks Neal for posting the B6 chart.

Looking at the charts I think that a bit of the drop off especially on the tail end at higher RPM's with our engine is due to the use of a steel bearing versus ceramic. Switching to a ceramic bearing in the B6 should provide a noticeable reduction in friction which will probably increase the overall max HP and Torque numbers further as well as increase/extend them on the back and of the curve.


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So I guess Neal's got some more work to do.....Neal, is there a ceramic bearing in your shop ready to pop into a B6 and be put to work? And after that how 'bout that lightened con rod? Let's give it all the bling we can, add up the additional costs, run it against the Speed, and let the chips fall where they may.....
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Old 11-24-2010 | 10:33 AM
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I wont lie to you Ron...when I tested the B6 I was shocked to see its numbers on the 2013... I even went back and retested a few other engines just to make sure something wasn't fishy with the dyno...Thats why it took me a while to post the results.... So far the B6 2013 with shim removed has the posted the highest torque numbers of any stock .21 I have tested to date..including the B5 which really shocked me.....I tested that B6 many times and its consistently pulling those numbers........ Just wait till you guys see the dyno of the mod B6 !!!
Hmmm..Kind of like what some one was telling you when he had his STOCK B6 in his 2.0 truggy and could not believe the way it was throwing it around!! LOL Neals modded version of the B6 is going to make an awesome TRUGGY MOTOR as long as it doesn't have short legs.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by marshon50
So I guess Neal's got some more work to do.....Neal, is there a ceramic bearing in your shop ready to pop into a B6 and be put to work? And after that how 'bout that lightened con rod? Let's give it all the bling we can, add up the additional costs, run it against the Speed, and let the chips fall where they may.....
The stock B6 already makes more HP and Torque than the Speed II out of the box so it's pretty evident to me that if we throw a bunch of options/$$ at it where "the chips are going to fall" lol, an even bigger difference! Having said that though I'm not sure how it's going to be possible to load up the engine with $260 worth of options so even with a fully blinged out B6 motor you should still end up saving some money over buying a Speed II which at the end of the day is really what matters.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:24 AM
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Mod speed wins
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank L
Mod speed wins
till now !

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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:32 AM
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HAHAHAHAHA

Trying to make the fanboys jump off a bridge?? I mean thats only a 5 year old engine design
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:37 AM
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That's my C6. Hahahaha, lol.
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Whatever the dyno says the OS will still win on the track. I wish there was a tool that could test the drivability and feel of an engine in the real world, but that doesn't exist yet. I was shocked to see the numbers the OS put out right out of the box. For an engine that doesn't really focus on all out power, but more on smoothness of the powerband, usable power and fuel mileage. I'll still take the OS any day of the week and have no problems paying for it. Like Frank said awhile ago, there's people that are looking for a bang for the buck deal and those of us that want the best. OS has been the standard by which all engines are compared for years and even to this day, in this very thread we are still comparing everything to the OS speed. Has to be a reason for that.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by hambone
That's my C6. Hahahaha, lol.

I think you need a few more engines.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hambone
That's my C6. Hahahaha, lol.
Nope...its my C6 !
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Peralta
I think you need a few more engines.
Xmas coming! Don't know what to buy next.
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JAMMINKRAZY
Whatever the dyno says the OS will still win on the track. I wish there was a tool that could test the drivability and feel of an engine in the real world, but that doesn't exist yet. I was shocked to see the numbers the OS put out right out of the box. For an engine that doesn't really focus on all out power, but more on smoothness of the powerband, usable power and fuel mileage. I'll still take the OS any day of the week and have no problems paying for it. Like Frank said awhile ago, there's people that are looking for a bang for the buck deal and those of us that want the best. OS has been the standard by which all engines are compared for years and even to this day, in this very thread we are still comparing everything to the OS speed. Has to be a reason for that.

I won't try to say the OS isn't a great engine because they are. BUT... they are not the only engine manuf. that is looking for drive-ability. The RB's have been designed around making usable power for years. And if all engines are really compared to the OS engines why did OS jump ship on their short stroke design to follow suit of what almost ALL other companies have been doing for years now?

Again.. they are great engines but you have been brainwashed into thinking they are the best. I have RB's with 18 gallons on them (no pinch only bearings replaced) that still run great... anyone in here have an OS that has survived thru 4 or 5 race seasons and countless loaner weekends to people having bad luck?
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Old 11-24-2010 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Peralta
I won't try to say the OS isn't a great engine because they are. BUT... they are not the only engine manuf. that is looking for drive-ability. The RB's have been designed around making usable power for years. And if all engines are really compared to the OS engines why did OS jump ship on their short stroke design to follow suit of what almost ALL other companies have been doing for years now?

Again.. they are great engines but you have been brainwashed into thinking they are the best. I have RB's with 18 gallons on them (no pinch only bearings replaced) that still run great... anyone in here have an OS that has survived thru 4 or 5 race seasons and countless loaner weekends to people having bad luck?
I will rephrase. For ME they are the best. I've run plenty of RB engines myself and they're very good engines, but for ME they aren't as good as OS. Nothing I've run is. Please don't think OS is the only engine I've ever run, because that is FAR from the truth. Not brainwashed, just convinced from experience that they are the best for myself.

I can't say why they went away from the Short stroke design. I'm sure they had reasons for it, and from what I can see it was a wise idea. Maybe they should have done it sooner, maybe not. The short stroke speeds were and still are one of the best engines ever made. World Champ twice in a row. Smooth usable power with exceptional fuel mileage.
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