Three Day State Titles
10-10-2010 | 08:24 PM
#46
Saturday one racer raced then marshelled then had to race 1/4 final 5 minutes later this is unfair as you have no time to charge batterys change tyers and warm up your car for the next race let alone repair any damage from your last qualy. if the event had of been over 4 days the qualys could have finished before lunch time Saturday and finals starting after 30min lunch break giving people time to prep there cars.
10-10-2010 | 08:56 PM
#47
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We just finished the Vic which was made a 3 day event and it was to rushed some of us did not get to eat on sunday by the time you raced marshelled pitted for someone you were lucky to have time to prep your car for the next race.
Saturday one racer raced then marshelled then had to race 1/4 final 5 minutes later this is unfair as you have no time to charge batterys change tyers and warm up your car for the next race let alone repair any damage from your last qualy. if the event had of been over 4 days the qualys could have finished before lunch time Saturday and finals starting after 30min lunch break giving people time to prep there cars.
Saturday one racer raced then marshelled then had to race 1/4 final 5 minutes later this is unfair as you have no time to charge batterys change tyers and warm up your car for the next race let alone repair any damage from your last qualy. if the event had of been over 4 days the qualys could have finished before lunch time Saturday and finals starting after 30min lunch break giving people time to prep there cars.
10-11-2010 | 03:14 AM
#48
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From: Geraldton WA
I still say leave it as a 4 day and if you dont want to go on the first, dont! The choice is yours, plus us fellas that like the 4 days still get the choice to run the 4 as well!
As TEAM ORANGE SA has pointed out it can make things to rushed and sucks the fun out of an event.
No matter if its 4-3 or hell 2 days you will never keep everyone happy, but if you take the enjoyment out of racing i would put a good bet on the fact that very few will turn up. As i say 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
As TEAM ORANGE SA has pointed out it can make things to rushed and sucks the fun out of an event.
No matter if its 4-3 or hell 2 days you will never keep everyone happy, but if you take the enjoyment out of racing i would put a good bet on the fact that very few will turn up. As i say 'if it aint broke, dont fix it'
10-11-2010 | 07:59 AM
#50
Dale and I were there and we never felt rushed at all. There was time to have a break at lunch but the organisers chose not to. There was still three hours of daylight left at the end of each day which we used to get our cars ready for the next day after which we went and had a dinner and beer with our friends.
The track was open for practice on Thursday and there was still plenty of time to run two practice rounds of 15 min on Friday morning before qualifying started.
I think there should be no qualifying on Thursday but track open for practice.
If entry numbers are large leave out practice on Friday morning and get straight into qualifying with 6 x ten min heats if only 80 (or whatever is a realistic number that can be run in three days using 10 min heats) or less entries or 6 x seven min heats if entriy numbers are greater than 80. I feel it is wrong to limit entry numbers and we need to race 6 qualifyers however long they may be.
For marshalling reasons Electric buggy entries need to be at least as many as the number of IC race numbers eg if 12 car races then 12 Electric entries needed.
Problem with more classes is longer race meetings which defeats the objective of three day events in the frist place.
I think one hour final ok but only with 7 min heat events.
The AARCMCC rules are the events should be advertised six months ahead of time with entries closing one month before the event. If this is ever enforced (I know,I know, I'm dreaming) then it would be way easier for both clubs and drivers to plan for three day events.
Ask most club members that only go once or twice a year to Sanctioned events why they don't go to more events and most will say "time off and cost". Ask someone who has never been to one at all and most will say not good enough or not interested but a lot will say time off and cost. The length of the heats is not on their minds but the time off and cost is.
The track was open for practice on Thursday and there was still plenty of time to run two practice rounds of 15 min on Friday morning before qualifying started.
I think there should be no qualifying on Thursday but track open for practice.
If entry numbers are large leave out practice on Friday morning and get straight into qualifying with 6 x ten min heats if only 80 (or whatever is a realistic number that can be run in three days using 10 min heats) or less entries or 6 x seven min heats if entriy numbers are greater than 80. I feel it is wrong to limit entry numbers and we need to race 6 qualifyers however long they may be.
For marshalling reasons Electric buggy entries need to be at least as many as the number of IC race numbers eg if 12 car races then 12 Electric entries needed.
Problem with more classes is longer race meetings which defeats the objective of three day events in the frist place.
I think one hour final ok but only with 7 min heat events.
The AARCMCC rules are the events should be advertised six months ahead of time with entries closing one month before the event. If this is ever enforced (I know,I know, I'm dreaming) then it would be way easier for both clubs and drivers to plan for three day events.
Ask most club members that only go once or twice a year to Sanctioned events why they don't go to more events and most will say "time off and cost". Ask someone who has never been to one at all and most will say not good enough or not interested but a lot will say time off and cost. The length of the heats is not on their minds but the time off and cost is.
10-11-2010 | 02:18 PM
#51
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Ask most club members that only go once or twice a year to Sanctioned events why they don't go to more events and most will say "time off and cost". Ask someone who has never been to one at all and most will say not good enough or not interested but a lot will say time off and cost. The length of the heats is not on their minds but the time off and cost is.[/QUOTE]
From my point of veiw you hit the nail on the head smelly62
l can see this hobby is getting more and more suited for single people that dont have a handbrake and wheel chocks running around at home.
From my point of veiw you hit the nail on the head smelly62
l can see this hobby is getting more and more suited for single people that dont have a handbrake and wheel chocks running around at home.
10-11-2010 | 11:51 PM
#52
Dale and I were there and we never felt rushed at all. There was time to have a break at lunch but the organisers chose not to. There was still three hours of daylight left at the end of each day which we used to get our cars ready for the next day after which we went and had a dinner and beer with our friends.
The track was open for practice on Thursday and there was still plenty of time to run two practice rounds of 15 min on Friday morning before qualifying started.
I think there should be no qualifying on Thursday but track open for practice.
If entry numbers are large leave out practice on Friday morning and get straight into qualifying with 6 x ten min heats if only 80 (or whatever is a realistic number that can be run in three days using 10 min heats) or less entries or 6 x seven min heats if entriy numbers are greater than 80. I feel it is wrong to limit entry numbers and we need to race 6 qualifyers however long they may be.
For marshalling reasons Electric buggy entries need to be at least as many as the number of IC race numbers eg if 12 car races then 12 Electric entries needed.
Problem with more classes is longer race meetings which defeats the objective of three day events in the frist place.
I think one hour final ok but only with 7 min heat events.
The AARCMCC rules are the events should be advertised six months ahead of time with entries closing one month before the event. If this is ever enforced (I know,I know, I'm dreaming) then it would be way easier for both clubs and drivers to plan for three day events.
Ask most club members that only go once or twice a year to Sanctioned events why they don't go to more events and most will say "time off and cost". Ask someone who has never been to one at all and most will say not good enough or not interested but a lot will say time off and cost. The length of the heats is not on their minds but the time off and cost is.
The track was open for practice on Thursday and there was still plenty of time to run two practice rounds of 15 min on Friday morning before qualifying started.
I think there should be no qualifying on Thursday but track open for practice.
If entry numbers are large leave out practice on Friday morning and get straight into qualifying with 6 x ten min heats if only 80 (or whatever is a realistic number that can be run in three days using 10 min heats) or less entries or 6 x seven min heats if entriy numbers are greater than 80. I feel it is wrong to limit entry numbers and we need to race 6 qualifyers however long they may be.
For marshalling reasons Electric buggy entries need to be at least as many as the number of IC race numbers eg if 12 car races then 12 Electric entries needed.
Problem with more classes is longer race meetings which defeats the objective of three day events in the frist place.
I think one hour final ok but only with 7 min heat events.
The AARCMCC rules are the events should be advertised six months ahead of time with entries closing one month before the event. If this is ever enforced (I know,I know, I'm dreaming) then it would be way easier for both clubs and drivers to plan for three day events.
Ask most club members that only go once or twice a year to Sanctioned events why they don't go to more events and most will say "time off and cost". Ask someone who has never been to one at all and most will say not good enough or not interested but a lot will say time off and cost. The length of the heats is not on their minds but the time off and cost is.
you may as welll just leave it as a four day event and just turn up on friday and miss the first qualifier.
As the top guys who can go there on thursday for an open track will have a huge advantage over the guys who want to go there for 3 days.
and who is going to be there to open the track on thursday?
10-12-2010 | 03:30 PM
#54
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From: Sunshine Coast
10-12-2010 | 03:41 PM
#55
Steve, I know where your coming from mate but I think a lot of these guys that say "Time off and cost" would say that regardless of if it was 3 or 4 day events. I'll be putting my hand in the air for the continuation of 4 day events because at the end of the day, you don't have to rock up for Thursday if you don't want too or cant. For those that aren't at the top level, 4 days of racing is part of the fun and I feel quite a draw card. Its 4 days away from reality for us, no stresses of day to day life hopefully. I know it is for me any how...
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
10-12-2010 | 04:18 PM
#56
Just a suggestion for 1/8th EP,
When it is held at these big meets, like nsw titles etc, we could make it just one final of 10 minutes and if there is more than 15 enties, we could go for a,b,c finals, no bump ups, just one final each, no semi finals etc.
Also the EP final could be done last race on the saturday, that way we would not have the problem of having 3 EP finals and juggling the marshals around to fill in the marshall spots as we have at the recent events.
When it is held at these big meets, like nsw titles etc, we could make it just one final of 10 minutes and if there is more than 15 enties, we could go for a,b,c finals, no bump ups, just one final each, no semi finals etc.
Also the EP final could be done last race on the saturday, that way we would not have the problem of having 3 EP finals and juggling the marshals around to fill in the marshall spots as we have at the recent events.
10-12-2010 | 05:39 PM
#57
Steve, I know where your coming from mate but I think a lot of these guys that say "Time off and cost" would say that regardless of if it was 3 or 4 day events. I'll be putting my hand in the air for the continuation of 4 day events because at the end of the day, you don't have to rock up for Thursday if you don't want too or cant. For those that aren't at the top level, 4 days of racing is part of the fun and I feel quite a draw card. Its 4 days away from reality for us, no stresses of day to day life hopefully. I know it is for me any how...
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
10-12-2010 | 08:17 PM
#58
If your going to have the thursday as open practise.. and none on friday.
you may as welll just leave it as a four day event and just turn up on friday and miss the first qualifier.
As the top guys who can go there on thursday for an open track will have a huge advantage over the guys who want to go there for 3 days.
and who is going to be there to open the track on thursday?
you may as welll just leave it as a four day event and just turn up on friday and miss the first qualifier.
As the top guys who can go there on thursday for an open track will have a huge advantage over the guys who want to go there for 3 days.
and who is going to be there to open the track on thursday?
I got to the vics on thursday afternoon and missed practice.
and I wish I had got there on wednesday nigth like most guy and got the extra track time. as I would not have wasted qualys of friday still learning the track.
I think we should leave it 4 day its then upto the racers to chose if they miss thursday or not. I know I wont miss the thurday again.
10-12-2010 | 11:21 PM
#59
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Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,889
From: Sunshine Coast
Steve, I know where your coming from mate but I think a lot of these guys that say "Time off and cost" would say that regardless of if it was 3 or 4 day events. I'll be putting my hand in the air for the continuation of 4 day events because at the end of the day, you don't have to rock up for Thursday if you don't want too or cant. For those that aren't at the top level, 4 days of racing is part of the fun and I feel quite a draw card. Its 4 days away from reality for us, no stresses of day to day life hopefully. I know it is for me any how...
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
As for the Electric class, I really think that it should be dropped from IC events or they must have a minimum of 12 or 15 entrants dependant on how many people are being run per heat ie IC has 12, E must have min of 12. It worked in Sydney where they had enough numbers, at other events it hasn't worked due to low numbers.
It needs to either 3 or a 4 day events in 2011......... nomination should close 6-8 weeks before the event and then depending on numbers we can determine whether we run 3 or 4 days, having people turn up on the day to nominate at a state/national event is not on.
Cheers
Mark
10-13-2010 | 02:04 PM
#60
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Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 264
Painy is correct in that having open practice on the Thursday will completely remove the benefit of a three day race. Anyone who intends on having a really good performance must be there to get all the track time they can get.
Racers are already voting with their feet. There have been an increasing number of racers missing Thursday (and in some cases Friday as well) due to time/cost issues. I'm in the handbrake/wheel chock category and it is difficult to attend as many events as I would like when it means I have to sacrifice holidays with my family. Three day events would allow me to manage both a little better.
Racers are already voting with their feet. There have been an increasing number of racers missing Thursday (and in some cases Friday as well) due to time/cost issues. I'm in the handbrake/wheel chock category and it is difficult to attend as many events as I would like when it means I have to sacrifice holidays with my family. Three day events would allow me to manage both a little better.