Three Day State Titles
 

Hi all I'm interested in finding out what the general thinking is on having three day State Title events rather than the four we have now.

I would think that there would need to be some clause so if the meetings are well subscribed (over 120 for example) then the meetings would still be over four days.

The reality is that most State Titles have less than 100 entries and the three day option would be easily achievable without reducing qualifying rounds.

The advantage would be more entries due to less days off work, less accom costs, less hire car costs and there would also be less demand on those organising and running the events.

I feel that the racing would improve and become more competitive due to more drivers being able to attend more of the events around the country.

Steve
President MORBC Inc

Hey Steve,

Well i think the first thing is maybe we should move away from ifmar 10 min qualifiers and perhaps adopt the ROAR format of 7 min qualifiers... My reasoning is, if we shorten the meets, the attendance may go up so we need to find a way to shorten things. Saving the 3 mins per qualifier ( say 10/15 heats = 30 mins/45 mins )

This also means less reliance on a pitman during qualifying as the majority of ppl would have at least a 7min motor. I know there is a push for 15 car qualifiers but i think at this point that it would rule out too many clubs from holding events as anything less than 35-40 second lap is going to make qualifying a lottery as you will be tripping up on cars.

Finally qualifying needs to be rewarded... I'd think we need to look to the onroad style of rewarding the fastest 4 guys.. I know it wouldn't affect the majority ( myself inc ) but i know if i was TQ and got my semi ruined by lapped traffic and missed the nats final... i'd be annoyed.. Why not reward the guys who make the massive effort and are at the top of their game by giving the fastest 4 qualifiers a spot straight in the main?

At this point, it doesn't matter whether you qualify 1st or 15th as your still only in the semi...

Glenn

should have been done ages ago, why do we need 6 rounds of qualifying when we have to go through christmas tree finals to make the main anyway?

However, the nats should be left alone....

totally agree,

i am new to the rc world and cant understand the need for four day events.
but as i say i am new to this so i am no expert on the subject.
i do know four days is costly for joe blow just wanting to get into the sport.

cheers dave

Hi All,

I am in the process of submitting a formal proposal for 15 car finals and the top 5 (for 15 car finals) or top 4 (for 12 car finals) go straight into the A-Main.

I agree with Cantona..... why do we have 6 rounds of qualifying then have to go though the bump up system.

I believe we should go to 4 rounds with 3 to count.......

Also I would like to see us move away from 10 min qulaifers as well, but i would like to see us go to 15min qualifiers (with only 4 rounds). That way we all get the same amount of racing as before. We also take out of play the no stop fuel qualifier.

While I am at it I would also like to see the grid position for the A-Main based on time first then place. The top 5 cars from each semi should still go into the A-Main (for 15 car finals), but lets base it on time as well so if say you finished 3rd in your semi but it was faster than the guy who finished say second in the other semi then I would like to see the guy who finished third be promoted over the guy who finished second.

However, if we go to 3 day events (and I am in favour of that) we will have to do one of 2 things.

Reduce the number of qaulifiers
Limit the number of entrants.

Take the 2010 ACT titles as an example their were around 90 odd drivers (about the average attendence these days). With the current formatt there was no way known (Peter Cooper and I did the numbers) we could have run 6 qualifiers (forget about any practice rounds) and bump ups in 3 days.

Lastly can we please get rid of the eletric class. We could save around 15min every Round with them gone, plus last time I checked this is the IC section of ARCMMC.

Cheers

Mark

the thursday is really only there for practice any way. you can show up on the friday and still get your 5 Qualy rounds, you just dont get any prac.

but with a 3 day meet the track should be open on the thursday for practice wheather it be timed or just free practice for whoeva showes up.

the cost off one day less on car hire and accomedation is only minamal anyway esspecially if you go as a group from your local club with 2 to 4 ppl staying in the one place. i know it only cost me and 3 others $190 or so each for the qld titles and we stayed up there from the wednesday. so really it shouldnt be looked at by aarcmcc as a reason to cut it to 3 days there needs to be a ligitamit reason why

I personally like/lean towards the 4 day style, but I can see the point being raised in reducing accommodation/hire car costs etc.etc.

The reason for liking the 4 day style is I (and quite a few others) won't normally get to run on a Sunday. I know improve my driving and that will happen. What I am getting at is I (and a few others I know) attend these big meets to get track time at different tracks (as well as the social side of the sport) so the idea of cutting the event to 3 days means we only get to run for 2, and traveling roughly 1000k's round trip for 2 days racing is a fair ask. I realize it's an extra day which is a pain in the butt for the good drivers that generally get to race on Sunday, but for us not so good drivers it's quite often a good thing to have that extra day of driving.

My thoughts would be along the lines of Wild Thing and increase heats to 15mins and first final to 30 mins if the majority goes with the idea of 3 day state titles, reason being as much track time as the not so good drivers are getting at the moment.

Trust me I would love to be racing on the Sunday at each State Title I attend (hopefully 3 this year) but the reality is that it probably won't happen.

Perhaps a thought is that Thursday could be purely a practice day for those that can or wish to rock up a day early.

Not having a go at anyone please, but maybe the perspective is looked at a lot from the point of view of those that will more than likely race on Sunday, rather than those that more than likely won't.

Just my 2 bob's worth.

Bruce

The 3 day format would be great and also the 7 min qualifier would be great,

I mean your still going to get the same result whether the race is 10 mins or 7 mins,and the top 4 qualifiers straight to main is also a good idea.

+1

3 day meets, compulsory fresh layout, 2 rounds of 10 minute practice, qualiying 4 rounds of 7 min (gets rid of need to super efficient engine just to qualify well), then into mains.

if a club cant change the track a little and have it re surfaced for a state champs or nationals, should they be having the race anyway?

+1

4 day race meets sometimes 5 depending where you live is crap
For god sake they can race the Bathurst 1000 in 4 days,and to think if they only let holdens race they could do it in 2 simple because they dont have to waite for the blue oval :D

3 days and shorter heats would be nice. ;)

Might be a minimal cost for 1 event.......... but whole different story over 4-6 events.

Last year around 300 drivers attended at least 1 event........ but only about 70 odd attended more than 1 event!!!!!!!.

When I have spoken to people their to biggest issues are cost and time off work.

Cheers

Mark

Actually in relation to the track.........these are already a requirement under AARCMCC rules.

Cheers

Mark

Cheers

MArk