I think it should be practice on Friday, Qualifying on Saturday, and finals on Sunday...... One thing the Drake said when he was here was, "Why do you run 10 min qualifiers", he said make it 6, but I think 7 would be good. I think I do better in the longer quals myself, but I can see the advantage of making it shorter...... I remember going out to the Gas onroad Nats at Brendale a few years back and they have the top 4 straight into the final and the rest have to go through the semis. I think that is a good idea as it rewards you for good qualifying. Also the top 4 get their own 10 min (or whatever), practice session to get a run on the track.

reducing the state titles to 3 days would be heaps better, there just seems no point on running all those quali's and reducing them too 7 min like glenn said would be alot better than 10 min either way its just the same as 10 min plus people who can only get a certian amount of time of work will be able to take advantage of the three day events and be able to attend say one more event then they normally would wouldnt this be good for clubs around oz as it might bring more racers, for example ive always wanted to race queensland but being further away than most states ive been unable to attend witch basicly means i need to take one or two extra days of work too race there than i normally would for say sydney or act.

WOW What a great response. I think we are all getting a good insight into this issue from both sides of the fence, thank you.

I'm not sure what the best answer is but if this thread keeps going like it is we should have a much better idea.

7 min heats sound good to me as does the best qualifyers going into the final but maybe only 2 (or three for 15 car finals) as this would still offer good opportunity for all the semi finalists to progress to the final.

3 day event.. 7 min Q's.. and top 4 into the finals.

sounds good to me.

I would like an hour final too.

its only an extra 30 min added onto the sunday.. and will make the finals that little bit more interesting.

i like the idea on a 3 day event but not 7 minute heats. you can still get 4 heats of 10 minutes in quite easily cutting down the 5 minute warm up.

in the case of this years vics i think it would be wiser to just finish up early enough on the sunday so people have enough time to travel home on the sunday. if racing and presentations were finished by 1 or 2pm most of the VIC and SA entries would be home by 8pm

The only problem with 7 min heats is that you have to get at least 8mins (closer to 9min sometimes depending on the track and where you can cut it) from a tank.

For some that will be a problem.

So looks like 3 day events and top 4/5 to the A-Main looks like it will be a winner.....

So now we need to decide how many qualifiers we will run.

I think we should run 4 qualifiers with 3 to count. 15 car heats and finals.

If we were to run 7min qualifiers (say 10min in total per race) based on the 8 races per round like we ran at the ACT Titles then we are talking about 80 min per round plus say 10min for watering etc per round we are looking at 11/2 hours per round.

So based on that timeframe we could run say 2 rounds of practice and 2 rounds of Qualifying on Friday.

Another 2 rounds of qualifying on Saturday plus lower finals

Semi's and Finals on Sunday.

Now if we look at the NSW's titles with around 160 drivers (verses 90 odd at the ACT) with 11 races using the above system.

A round would take approximately 21/4 hours which means we would be back to 3 rounds a day (with no lights) instead of 4 per day at the ACT event.

Also we would need more of Saturday for the lower finals we went down to the 1/32 for NSW's verse only the 1/8 for the ACT just for Buggy. In fact NSW's had to run 6 more bump up finals than the ACT had to run......... another 3 hours of Saturday would be needed for this.

So we could fit the NSW's titles into the 3 day formatt with no practice rounds, but there is no room for error with those sort of numbers and we would need to use every hour of sunlight as well.

So with 7 min heats 1 round of practice and 4 rounds of qualifying using 15 car heats and finals and top 5 straight into the A-Main) and to make it all fit into 3 days the maximum amount of drivers we could take would be 9 races per round or 135 drivers.

I am sorry TIX, but there is no way we could have run all of the events this year with 10min qulaifiers over a 3 day period........ at most events I have been to this year (all of them except WA) we were running only 3min between heats already

Cheers

Mark

Get's my vote guys so to recap
3 Days racing consisting of
2 x 7 min practice rounds
4 Rounds of qualifying with 3 to count
6-7 minutes per qualifier depending upon numbers
top 4 or 5 straight into the main depending on 12 or 15 car main

Sounds good boys.

However for the Nationals I would like it to stay as is.

my only problem with any idears is how we as members of AARCMCC get to vote on them . there are some great idears going around but we all need to get a vote not just the guys who go to the nats or the state reps
Maybe some sort of online voting . just my 2 cents

The way it currently stands is that we need someone (a AARCMCC affilated club) to put forward a motion for the above.

AARCMCC is then meant to send it to every AARCMCC club to be voted on. The clubs are supposed to discuss it with its members and then inform AARCMCC of its (club's) decision.

Unfortunatley in the past most clubs have tended to be shell we say "slack" on this system and generally nothing is heard back from most clubs.

I believe the way it is now is if a club does not respond at all then that is considered a YES vote.........

So while it is not as good as a 1 voter per member deal (which I think is where we need to head to) if done properly it should cover off most of the members

Cheers

Mark

15 min heat no good, drifts away from the original purpose of qualifying...

15 min was a way of giving everyone the same amount of racing time in qulaifying if we dropped from 6 rounds to 4.

To fair when you look at the true meaning of what "Qualifying" means, is that it determines the starting order for the main race.

Under current AARCMCC rules this is not the case, in fact, if we were to use qualifying as a true means of positioning everyone for the finals (the real race) we would be using the ABC Final system instead of odd and even as we do now.

The ABC Final system is the only way you can truly place everyone in the finals from there qualifying result.

By moving to allow the top 4 or 5 bump straight into the A-Main is getting closer to a "fair" result, the fact that there are still 10 positions (using 15 car finals) avialable in the A-main means that positions 6 -15 supossedly after qualifying have to re-qualify again defeats the original purpose of qualfiying in the first place

The whole idea of qualifying is to get the best 15 drivers in the 45 to 60 min A-main.
our state and national competition is a stepping stone on to the ifmar IC worlds, we need to run our top competitions under these rules so we leave all the major rule changes to the world governing body. we do not have to re invent the wheel.
Here are my personal thoughts only on this

1. 3 day events
2. Nominations closes at the fullfillment of 7 heats
3. Santioned IC classes only
4. hosting track closed 2 weeks prior to event start
5. no practice rounds
6. event starts on time and to schedule ( no waiting for marshalls if they are not in place by the 2 min mark best qual gone )
7. 10 min quals and xmas tree finals not to be messed with as the drivers at the pointy end are the ones with the chance of going on to the worlds and they need to race under this format more than anyone.
8. 1/4 1/2 and finals on sunday ( shorten practice session if time is getting short.

na i still think 7 minutes is better and i think youll find 90 percent of people out there will agree.

7 min heats doesn't seem to affect the Americans when they travel.

I knew this thread would start sooner than later.

I do agree with Cantona (matt) 's first post. Why do we run 6 qualifiers and still christmas tree bump ups. Ive seen people turn up late with no qualifying at all and still make the main because they bumped from the lowest final.

The events are to long i would say. I think shortening to 3 days and running 7 min heats is a good idea. Also eliminates the fastest drivers are the ones who can do a 10 min heat without fueling, if we shorten to 7 minutes means the fastest guys in qualifying are the actual fastest around the track as most engines can go 7 minutes.

Shortening events will attract more interstate drivers i think instead of a state title only consisting of people from that actual state lol.

Which is better for the sport.

Jarred.