New Novarossi .21 offroad Plus 4
#3110
Ok I need some help. I have an origional +4 from protwister and really like it so far. Here is the problems, first i dont have a clue what pipe is the best for it, i run a 2013 now. 2nd, what are normal temps for this motor, i have heard everything from 210-270? and lastely, probably one for Houston, it has a standard plug in it now and i just recieved a turbo button. what will swaping them out do to my current tune which is already on the rich side?? For example, will i need to lean it more or will it need to be richened up for the turbo plug?? Thanks for the help.
DREW
DREW
#3111
Hi Monty,
I need your help. I am confused on the correct HSN setting for my Plus-21C. If you go to the Novarossi web site and watch the video clip of Adam Drake on tuning he states that a good starting point for a “race tune” for the HSN on the Plus 21 is “flush to a 1/4 to ½ turn in. If you use the “factory setting “ of 3.5 turns out as a base line, it is a long way from flush! Is a “race tune” that far from the “factory setting” of 3.5? Every time I try to lean out the HSN that much, the temps shoot up. I have never gotten close to a HSN of flush. Granted, the engine is still fairly new. Maybe close to 2 gallons at the most. There is still a slight mechanical pinch. I use Byron’s 25%, O’Donnell T98 plug, and a 6.5 card insert. You thoughts would be appreciated! Maybe I am just over analyzing things!
I need your help. I am confused on the correct HSN setting for my Plus-21C. If you go to the Novarossi web site and watch the video clip of Adam Drake on tuning he states that a good starting point for a “race tune” for the HSN on the Plus 21 is “flush to a 1/4 to ½ turn in. If you use the “factory setting “ of 3.5 turns out as a base line, it is a long way from flush! Is a “race tune” that far from the “factory setting” of 3.5? Every time I try to lean out the HSN that much, the temps shoot up. I have never gotten close to a HSN of flush. Granted, the engine is still fairly new. Maybe close to 2 gallons at the most. There is still a slight mechanical pinch. I use Byron’s 25%, O’Donnell T98 plug, and a 6.5 card insert. You thoughts would be appreciated! Maybe I am just over analyzing things!
#3112
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Hi Monty,
I need your help. I am confused on the correct HSN setting for my Plus-21C. If you go to the Novarossi web site and watch the video clip of Adam Drake on tuning he states that a good starting point for a “race tune” for the HSN on the Plus 21 is “flush to a 1/4 to ½ turn in. If you use the “factory setting “ of 3.5 turns out as a base line, it is a long way from flush! Is a “race tune” that far from the “factory setting” of 3.5? Every time I try to lean out the HSN that much, the temps shoot up. I have never gotten close to a HSN of flush. Granted, the engine is still fairly new. Maybe close to 2 gallons at the most. There is still a slight mechanical pinch. I use Byron’s 25%, O’Donnell T98 plug, and a 6.5 card insert. You thoughts would be appreciated! Maybe I am just over analyzing things!
I need your help. I am confused on the correct HSN setting for my Plus-21C. If you go to the Novarossi web site and watch the video clip of Adam Drake on tuning he states that a good starting point for a “race tune” for the HSN on the Plus 21 is “flush to a 1/4 to ½ turn in. If you use the “factory setting “ of 3.5 turns out as a base line, it is a long way from flush! Is a “race tune” that far from the “factory setting” of 3.5? Every time I try to lean out the HSN that much, the temps shoot up. I have never gotten close to a HSN of flush. Granted, the engine is still fairly new. Maybe close to 2 gallons at the most. There is still a slight mechanical pinch. I use Byron’s 25%, O’Donnell T98 plug, and a 6.5 card insert. You thoughts would be appreciated! Maybe I am just over analyzing things!
#3113
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 69
From: Piteå, Sweden
Hi
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
#3114
Tech Addict
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 544
Hi
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
#3115
Hi
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
My plus4 team is a pain in the ass, it flames out, hard to tune, rich, lean, etc..
It sounds like an air leak, I have sealed it and changed the carburetor from my toro nero but it is just as bad.
I have 2 Toro Neros Team and they are easy to tune and i love them.
1 race has my team Plus4 gone perfectly, the front bearing are not leaking and i have tested several glowplugs. The comp. is great too. Any ideas whats wrong?
/P
How many gallons of fuel has it run?
How much nitro do you use? 0,7 mm head shims for 25% nitro and 0,8 mm (stock) shims for 30% nitro.
Are you leaning your HSN enough? Depending on which venturi you use, you can lean the HSN more than one turn (from the spot where is goes from 4 stroke to 2 stroke) before she runs too lean. You can hear she starts to sing on the straight, when you got the HSN right. If its too lean the engine will keep a high idle and say "DING DING DING", at the end of the straight, when you releases the throttle.
After that set the LSN to a steady idle. If the idle speed it too high it sounds like she is too lean.
#3116
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 69
From: Piteå, Sweden
Hi.
How many gallons of fuel has it run?
How much nitro do you use? 0,7 mm head shims for 25% nitro and 0,8 mm (stock) shims for 30% nitro.
Are you leaning your HSN enough? Depending on which venturi you use, you can lean the HSN more than one turn (from the spot where is goes from 4 stroke to 2 stroke) before she runs too lean. You can hear she starts to sing on the straight, when you got the HSN right. If its too lean the engine will keep a high idle and say "DING DING DING", at the end of the straight, when you releases the throttle.
After that set the LSN to a steady idle. If the idle speed it too high it sounds like she is too lean.
How many gallons of fuel has it run?
How much nitro do you use? 0,7 mm head shims for 25% nitro and 0,8 mm (stock) shims for 30% nitro.
Are you leaning your HSN enough? Depending on which venturi you use, you can lean the HSN more than one turn (from the spot where is goes from 4 stroke to 2 stroke) before she runs too lean. You can hear she starts to sing on the straight, when you got the HSN right. If its too lean the engine will keep a high idle and say "DING DING DING", at the end of the straight, when you releases the throttle.
After that set the LSN to a steady idle. If the idle speed it too high it sounds like she is too lean.
I run 25% nitro, i have not checked the shims, have never heard about that.
I use 6.5mm venturi.
The problem is that the engine not hold the tune, 5 lap its fine next to rich then lean, fat, perfekt...
I have 2 toro neros and i have tuned them earlier exactly the way you say and they runs perfekt, only needs a fine tune some times.
#3117
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 69
From: Piteå, Sweden
I have run about 2 gallons with it, but it has been like this since new.
I run 25% nitro, i have not checked the shims, have never heard about that.
I use 6.5mm venturi.
The problem is that the engine not hold the tune, 5 lap its fine next to rich then lean, fat, perfekt...
I have 2 toro neros and i have tuned them earlier exactly the way you say and they runs perfekt, only needs a fine tune some times.
I run 25% nitro, i have not checked the shims, have never heard about that.
I use 6.5mm venturi.
The problem is that the engine not hold the tune, 5 lap its fine next to rich then lean, fat, perfekt...
I have 2 toro neros and i have tuned them earlier exactly the way you say and they runs perfekt, only needs a fine tune some times.



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