Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well as far as I can see, the Logan Members always do that travelling, and not many of the Brendale Members travell anywhere. So if we come to the other interclub rounds, and we bring 30 members to go in one class with the point system you guys are proposing, sounds silly to me. I think Logan likes to spread there selves into every class, just not nitro cars. I for one do, do both, and so does a few other Members at our Club. So why is it all you guys are trying to come up with ways to beat Logan, Come on, why dont you come sit down and talk to us. Thats my view anways. Why cant you blind Freddies see that.

To Blis and Bishop
in my post that show's the Bayside to Brendale points , where I was coming from is that the more drivers racing a class the more the points blow out, not saying things are stacked for Nitro against Electric far from it, what happens when electric drivers turn up in numbers and race one class only?It's going to make it gas verse electric, not club verse club
The club with the most drivers wins, in previous years the only clubs that seemed to travel in number was Logan and Sunnycoast.

Where have I rounded down a few 15+?

Bayside Interclub 2009...
Gas - 19 190 points on offer excluding bonus points
Pro - 22 253 points on offer excluding bonus points

Brendale Interclub 2009...
Gas - 28 406 points on offer excluding bonus points
Pro - 31 496 points on offer excluding bonus points

the Nitro stats are just shown as they stand out more with the increase in numbers
gas tourer 9 more at Brendale round yet the points on offer is 216 more for 9 extra divers in that class
Pro tourer again 9 extra at Brendales round yet again 243 more points on offer.

what I am trying to show is , 9 extra drivers in both classes both days and the points availible have nearly doubled

it's not Gas verse Electric just showing how the system is now stacked for a class that supplies more entries, electric can do the same I know , but that aint fair either

You original quote says a few extra drivers are bringing in like 450+ points, we 'are' talking like 18 total though, if a club can come up with near 18 or so extra members putting rubber to road, surely they deserve every extra point they get?, purely on the basis they got out there in force, regardless of what class they ran.

And that brings it around, be it nitro or electric, if the quiet runners want to close up classes to get more points, then sure under rules and points as for this year, I guess it's a valid enough tactic.
(Under the old points system though, would it have been considered fair for a host club to limit electric classes to only two?, I'm not suggesting anything, but hey with the direction this is going, if you say wanted to keep the old points system, would that be 'more' fair or considered unfair?.)

It's always going to be someone vs someone else, yeah in this case it's looking fuel vs zap, but really it's also club vs club, you can't avoid that in the end, take it seriously or not, some will some won't, some will do it for fun, others 'will' do everything to win.

Is the system now stacked for numbers?, well in an indirect way, I'd more suggest it shows a bias to help the host club, think about that carefully, because you then need to ask, is that fair or not?.

I think the system is stacked now to help the host club, I also think the the host club should have to earn their round win not just a given for having memebers turn up.
If you once again look at the numbers of entries it's not extra 18, I'm not looking at both joined, I'm trying to show that even 9 extra drivers in a class made a huge difference to that class amount of points on offer.

Is it fair for someone it say 540 or Gas tour that is the newbie class's and usually gets the least amount of drivers(10-12) gets less for their class win then a class that got 30 drivers and a person that finishes last in the B final

some how this just dont add up to fair and a better system is out there to suit all but no one wants to listen........

I was the committee member that proposed the bonus system.

It was plain to see that a points system was going to be voted in on the night. It was already agreeded upon with 3 of the clubs.

I was comfronted with two options.
Go with a system that gave no advantage for making an A final
10th place in the A was just 1 point better than 1st in the B

Or the Bonus System which gave some recongion for the A finaist.

If we had time i'm certain a better fairer system would have come to us.

my thoughts since answer all concerns

Currently gas has 1/3rd of the points available each round
Why not give gas double points. ie 50% of points available.

Then Add 5 points for each A Finalist (10 for gas)
Give each b Finalist 2 points if they run
and 1 point for the others

everybody wins. everybody gets points for their club.
Gas gets equal chance at the points.

Each club must then get as many members to go as possible.
and no club meeting on an interclub day.


If i had time on the night things might be different.

Shane

I'd say yes, it's more than fair, if you can get to the pointy end of a premiere/popular class with 30+ drivers, all fighting for points, then you deserve all the points you can get.

Fair here though is subjective, 4 classes vs 2 classes, your saying it's fair for someone running with very low numbers in one of four classes, to get more points for their club, than guys running in their chosen class that will bring in less or none.

Points need to be spread across the number of racers, not the number of classes, that is I think the whole point here, dividing up points fairly among drivers, regardless of what they choose to drive.

Sub finals still could do with a good reason to race and place though, if your just suggesting only that 2 or 1 points for playing, well then where is the competitive motive to place 'within' those finals?.

Everyone at a Interclub, should have something to race for right untill the end, surely that is a fair enough ask?.

That's exactly one thing the proposal was designed to address.

Kindest regards,
Lars.

Well it was likely the most obvious reason for a change, I mean sure many people may just want to Interclub for the fun of it, but there is a need to make sure guys who want to contribute, can do so in some way.


If people don't like the new system, and want something maybe more spread scale, say numbers based on heats perhaps, rather than pure numbers, you could I guess go a proper world style car/bike race like system for 2011, no bonus points etc, but a ramp down of points on heats with top points for top positions?, it is generally complex though.

Hard to explain that one in full, I'll attach a example of what I mean, but if you scale something a certain way in a excel sheet, you get to see interesting ways that points can be spread, if you really think any system is unfair, I dare you to sit down with pen and paper, or an excel spread sheet, and you yourself make something you think is fair, all while making sure people don't feel left out, it's not 'that' easy.

Thanks; I'll have a look at the attachment later, and I hope all those that are not happy with the changes will do the same, and come up with a better proposal for 2011. I'm still convinced that this will work better than the old system, but we shall see after its tested in the rounds this year.

Kindest regards,
Lars.

p.s. I'm not that pigheaded to say that it is perfect however, and I'm quite sure that an even better system could be devised. Get to work to come up with something guys!

just to remind everyone the interclub was started to promote people travelling to clubs outside their own, get together, have a good race meet and expand their horizons.

the club points is a bit of fun, not an actual decree of 'the best club', you'd have to be living in a pretty small world to think it actually means anything beyond that.

that said the basis for the new points system is mathematically flawed.

for starters you cannot quantify a classes worth based purely on entrant numbers so to award anything less than equal points to the winner of each class is wrong.

secondly the number of gas classes vs electric classes has to be treated as irrelevant. winning a gas class cannot quantified as being worth twice as much as winning an electric class. because any one driver can only enter 1 class per day you have to view the classes blind of what powers them.

leaving the easiest to implement system a fixed score down. it was previously 10 down but if you're so desperate for more people to be able to score points for their clubs this could be expanded to 20 down... but be warned this would widen the gap between the big and small clubs.

but that's about as long as i can pretend it actually matters. stfu and race.

First of all i'm sorry for bringing up about the point scoreing system is was just how i understood it.

a point system that is getting tested this season for next season is a follow

1st 121
2nd 106
3rd 92
4th 79
5th 67
6th 56
7th 46
8th 37
9th 29
10th 22
11th 16
12th 11
13th 7
14th 4
15th 2
16th 1
17th +0
DNF 0


Qual 15 points for pole 10 for 2nd 5 for 3rd and 2 for 4th



it also rewards finishing the races as a DNF rewards 0 points and the further up you are in placings the bigger the points gap becomes

I Hope this gives something to think about.

Bradley Matheson
BAM Motorsports

I sat down and stfu

What does that mean tones