per Rich Chang's tuning guide. "REAR POD DROOP: MORE – makes car turn in harder."

well you are saying off power the shock compresses. and in all the "tuning" guides, it tells you, increase droop increases off power steering. so basically you are saying

off power = compression of shock = increase droop

Help me out here, where did I mention anything about compression?

I can only assume that based on this statement, then off power the shock compresses. unless you are saying the shock extends on power and off power

Ok, good. I thought I was sure about not having wandered into the compression part. And yes, more droop does help with steering in a turn with most/all the load is off the shock during a turn. So I can see how droop plays a part. You can feel that transition in a 1:1. Love my MINI!

Sorry to jump off the droop topic but whats the consensus on lipos? I'm thinking about ordering smc single cell lipo but what do I need to run the radio gear? Voltage booster or a rec. pack?

Roar going to get on the lipo bang wagon for next season?

I doubt it. Folks are still in the "dabble" stage. Until you have a few heats of that kind of thing going on at a LOT of clubs they're not going to bother with it.

Well I got one pack with a dead cell, one pack that dead shorted so I need batteries and I don't wanna by batteries to run for another month. The batteries I would buy now would be junk come next season so I would be ahead of the curve to just make the leap to a single cell lipo and start messing with it now. I talked to my local track owner and he says running a single cell and a 13.5 is going to be fine for stock racing. So I'm just wanting to know rec. pack or voltage booster? Anyone making a weight tray for the single cell yet?

Yea, you're in a tough spot. I might add, don't you feel that a lipo pack for a "theoretical class" won't be obsoleted by then as well? Right now only SMC has a foot in the door. Announce it as a class, you'll see 5-10 new versions.... and motors and new electronics to match the low voltage demands. A booster is a bandaid. Somebody will fix that with newer better electronics in the speedo.

I have raced my 12th on carpet with a 1 cell LiPo and a 13.5 for 8+ minutes using two different ESC's and neither "needed" a booster or receiver pack. Obviously the word "needed" is a personal descriptor. Some feel the servos go soft and/or the powerband goes flat after several minutes without a receiver pack or booster. The two esc's I ran were the original 4 cell GTB, and a Spedpassion LPF 1.1.

I pretty much only adjust droop at the rear of a 12th car to change the on power steering or to settle the car down on a high bite track.

There are a few things that are actually happening when you accelerate to the travel limit of the shock. My personal opinion on why the increased droop increased on power steering is that it raises the rear ride height and rollcenter. I think that the shock acting like a 3rd link (on a real car) is less of a contributor to the steering.

If you draw every thing out, droop shouldn't increase turn in but it does. Again, this is probably because of the higher ride height and rollcenter. The rear end will get held up for a little bit off power because of the damping in the shock. Eventually, it goes back to normal ride height and you don't have any extra steering in the middle.

if you look on the roar website, the 1 cell pack is an approaved battery. also it looks like they lock down the size. they will have a size limit for saddle pack 3.7v pack as well from the look of it. there is no mention of 1 cell in 1/12 yet, but I am sure soon enough

so you are saying more rear droop produces more on power steering? i thought it helps off power steering. hmmm

Yup, that's pretty much what I find. The shock gets pulled longer on acceleration so the length matters. It gets pushed shorter on deceleration so the shock oil and spring matter more there.

If I need off power steering, I change the chassis rake first (raise the rear compared to the front) then I change spring, oil, or shock position.

Any time I change from my baseline set-up it's after I try different fronts.

Well it's not really a theoretical class since Jody Flipse has run the single cell and a 13.5 with us and showed us it's not much faster or slower than a good stock set up. The track owner is allowing us to run the lipo set up so I'm going to try it.

Well thats very interesting....Maybe I will just try it once and see how it goes then.