"At this point as a noob in 1/12th scale I think it's time I stop listening to everyone else and figure it out for myself. Yes he shouldn't have used the word exactly because that was inaccurate."

I don't think you should put stuff like that on here mate, I for one have tried to give you as much help and advice as possible and to get that as a reply, well that's crappy to say the least.

So I was reading on another thread that in '08 the 13.5 will be merged with 19t to create the new super stock under ROAR; and in relation to the earlier discussion about running brushed with brushless esc and the hobby going to brushless over brushed. Considering this yrs ruling of 17.5 as stock and next yr's change I'm wondering just how many will switch back to brushed? I'm no expert and each type of car; 1/12, TC, or offroad, may see slightly different compairison results. But I'm having trouble seeing 13.5 keeping pace with a handwound 19t, has anyone tried an side-by-side in their 1/12?

Chris

It won't, but it will be a non-issue. The 19T motor (and the 10.5 running with it this year) disappears and the only motor in SuperStock effective Jan 1, 2009 will be the 13.5.

Stock will continue as a brushed/brushless class for the 17.5's and 27T motors.

Hmm well I got a different inference baised on what was posted:

Super Stock is what ROAR is or is going to call the "19t" class. Since it no longer is a "19t" only class with brushless being allowed.

I read that to mean that both would be allowed in the class, but to be fair its not '08 yet and things may change. As for the source of this quote its as Sean typed it, his wife is the ROAR pres so I'm guessing he got it straight from the top.

I want to start running 1/12 scale so I'm seriously looking for a used chassis with spare parts. I'm not sure what chassis I want so any offers will be considered.
Thanks in advance!
Max

Superstock is 13.5 only (no 19T brushed) in 2008 per the rules set out earlier this year.

If I remember correctly, stock will be 17.5 BL and stock brushed again in 08.

NP Chris. I checked my understanding of this directly with Dawn. 2008 (this year) is an "interim" spec year for SuperStock and they're allowing the "legacy" 19T motors to be run with the 10.5 bl motors. 2009 will be the first year of the intended SuperStock spec and will be 13.5 only. I'm sure clubs will continue to support some 19T for a while (ours will at least through spring '09 as we will not change rules mid-season) but they will no longer be a ROAR-recognized motor.

19t is a touch slower then 10.5 and much faster then 13.5. If this is the rule change for 08 it will bring back the brushed technology once again.

Also a very well tuned 27t is a bit faster then 17.5. Evidence of this was at the recent carpet nats. Only one brushless car made the show (Chuck Lonergan).

These rules will hurt brushless racing at major events because people are simply going to run what is faster...

Darn, I forgot "pedantic"

You are already on the team, I just forgot to tell you If you saw the team you would know why. We are such a diverse group we have been called the "United Nations of RC", so in the interest of inclusion we should have a "Hack/Bastard" too

Yeah I second this. I have seen plenty of 17.5's that were way too slow, so they decide to gear up to keep up and they blow up. That rhymed. Anyway, right now I like tuning my motors and knowing they are cheaper and faster I will keep on using them until BL technology gets better and smaller(for ESC's).

I'd JUST noticed the "handwound" in your first post. Handwound has never been, to my knowledge, legal in 19T spec classes (ie any ROAR event). I believe the oval guys have 19T handwound motors but they aren't for road-course use or off-road (absent "house rules" that may allow them).

From my limited experience a 13.5 won't keep up with a decent 19T Spec motor, popping a handwound in there is just piling on the advantage.

Thanks for the claification scottrik, Sean's wording had me a bit puzzlied. Its not a real huge issue for me as I don't go to ROAR events but with the only local track(owned by Sean and Dawn) really pushing the ROAR sanctions and rules I've decided to stop racing there.

the rules are intentionally set to be slower..

go read the thread on all of this.

I did glance thru it, slower is fine and I understand the logic behind that, but putting two uncompatible(meaning that for stock 17.5 and brushed 27t) together is a setback and promotes old outdated technology. I realize thats good for ROAR and their desire to help the brushed motor makers/tuners. But its bad for the hobby to supress new better technology to the very class of racers that needs to be increased. Sure you can run 17.5 and reap the benifits of brushless at the cost of being beat by every brushed car on the track, that is a sure turnoff to a new racer.

And yes to those that say I could just step up and run mod or superstock(neither of which are being run here local) but with no such class here I now would have to spend more $ to buy new motors to go slower, now that sounds fun.... not.

Anyways thats enough of my bitching maxepower I sent you a PM, I have several new 1/12 cars.