Racing. How to improve it?
#16
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Originally posted by contact
getting concensus on what are an appropriate set of rules in one state seens hard enough let alone across the country!
i think limits on batteries the way the uk does is an excellent idea (perhaps limit to type rather than price - anyone can organise a reciept and retailers dont have to honour a price)
the thing is not really the rule set (just like the road rules the organising authority will sort them out and people will either be happy or whinge or both), but how well organised a series can be and really its geographical location, without a doubt one of the best tracks i have run on in recent times has been murwillimbah - but would sydney (and the rest of nsw to the south) make a trek there (i would reccomend it - you wont be dissapointed)? where do events get run?
the issue is club membership, should people be a member of a club to participate?
getting concensus on what are an appropriate set of rules in one state seens hard enough let alone across the country!
i think limits on batteries the way the uk does is an excellent idea (perhaps limit to type rather than price - anyone can organise a reciept and retailers dont have to honour a price)
the thing is not really the rule set (just like the road rules the organising authority will sort them out and people will either be happy or whinge or both), but how well organised a series can be and really its geographical location, without a doubt one of the best tracks i have run on in recent times has been murwillimbah - but would sydney (and the rest of nsw to the south) make a trek there (i would reccomend it - you wont be dissapointed)? where do events get run?
the issue is club membership, should people be a member of a club to participate?
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it'd be better in my opinion to get all the seperate 'governing bodies' both state and national that are all off doing their own thing at the moment to the table and form one body.. like the uk's brca or usa's roar etc. so you'd basicly have the national body with state directors.
special club level races or smaller regional events could be classed as 'regional level events' and could be organised thru the state director to reach a suitable date to avoid overlaps and then advertise these races to appropriate clubs in their state who pass that on to their members, perhaps at these the host club is responsable for scrutineering / race control, etc.
then the next step would be 'state level events' where events like a nsw v qld challenge or a state titles would be organised thru the national body by the relevant state directors, again to avoid overlaps. also state directors would be responsable for passing on details to its clubs whom in turn pass that on to their members, at this level of event it should be the hosting state's directors responsability to see that scrutineering, race umpiring, etc happens.
then national level made up by various state directors and maybe a couple of additional people would decide rules which get passed onto the states, be responsable for national titles etc, etc.
one of the problems at the moment is there are just overlapping events left right and center... which hurts turnouts to all events on at the same time which in my opinion hurts racing.
also a good idea for bigger events would be to make sure the 'biggest class' .. say 2wd for offroad and tc onroad have racing on both days if it's a 2 day event.. this will make travelling alot more appealing rather than 'x hours drive for 1 days racing then turn around and go home'. in qld that usually means stock on day 1 and mod + 540 on day 2.
basiclly things like that to give all clubs a good reason to be apart of a governing body (eg. advertise your local event thru the state director and all members at other clubs get told about it) and then the more individual clubs and racers the more exciting larger meets will be and without clashing events, not having to worry about different rules when you travell, etc, etc..imo everyone would benifit alot more.
at a club level people shouldnt have to be a member of a club to race.. but they should be rewarded if they are. common things here at the moment is discounted entry fees for club members and open trophy meets where anyone can race but only members get the prizes, trophy etc. if club membership included discounted membership to a national governing body which in turn has lower entry fees for members to race at events under it, there would be even more incentive.
another advantage if a single governing body took off and grew a good membership would be then they could work out a deal where if a hobby store offers a discount to members on say rebuildable stock/540 motors and perhaps even spec and/or control tyres they would in turn get more publicity and increased volume of sales, etc.
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please excuse any spelling / rambling.. i only just woke up
Last edited by tones; 10-16-2002 at 07:57 PM.
#17
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From: Pro Driver ? - I Wish... [ Sydney ]
Don't know about electric, surely they must have some international guidelines like Ifmar ?
For nitro theres already a national body AARCMCC,
They are already close to Ifmar and in my opinion they should stay exactly the same as Ifmar.
If you don't think AARCMCC is any good, the best thing is to help fix it not start a heap of new bodies.
The secratery claims he is only there because no one else will volunteer.
Its the same old story, we all like to winge but its easier just to do our own thing
If where gonna get anywhere theres gotta be conformity !
You just have to bite the bullet and and look at the big picture.
For nitro theres already a national body AARCMCC,
They are already close to Ifmar and in my opinion they should stay exactly the same as Ifmar.
If you don't think AARCMCC is any good, the best thing is to help fix it not start a heap of new bodies.
The secratery claims he is only there because no one else will volunteer.
Its the same old story, we all like to winge but its easier just to do our own thing
If where gonna get anywhere theres gotta be conformity !
You just have to bite the bullet and and look at the big picture.
#18
I belive that AARCMCC is one of the most well organised bodies ever in Australia.. i think that for electric..and nitro..that ROODA..should "not be selfish in thinking about this proposal" but join AARCMCC take up the name of AAECMCC and that would solve the whole body shamble of bullshit, and all. and there would be no over lapping of events..and the EX rooda can give some good pointers to help make AARCMCC the best body ever.
Any thoughts..recon its a goa?
Any thoughts..recon its a goa?
#19
i think c4.1 had a good idea with that competitions between different clubs. also i think maybe a motor limit for mod, say 10 turn and a freeze on batterys would be good. i am thinking of getting some 3000s after using my 2400s for a while and i know i wouldnt be very happy if they start alowing 3300s the next day.
#21
Originally posted by Painy
I belive that AARCMCC is one of the most well organised bodies ever in Australia.. i think that for electric..and nitro..that ROODA..should "not be selfish in thinking about this proposal" but join AARCMCC take up the name of AAECMCC and that would solve the whole body shamble of bullshit, and all. and there would be no over lapping of events..and the EX rooda can give some good pointers to help make AARCMCC the best body ever.
Any thoughts..recon its a goa?
I belive that AARCMCC is one of the most well organised bodies ever in Australia.. i think that for electric..and nitro..that ROODA..should "not be selfish in thinking about this proposal" but join AARCMCC take up the name of AAECMCC and that would solve the whole body shamble of bullshit, and all. and there would be no over lapping of events..and the EX rooda can give some good pointers to help make AARCMCC the best body ever.
Any thoughts..recon its a goa?
aarcmcc is the national sanctioning body... its not their role to organise state level events (they may sanction them) its there role to come up with a set of national rules that state bodies can then use to structure their events. aarcmcc is like the federal government not the state government...
have you ever thought just who run roorda? 1 person last time i looked given what they try to achieve i dont think they do too bad a job
#22
there's a bunch of senior citizens at my local lawn bowls club that are pretty good at organising chook raffles....maybe they could help us?
Seriously there has been some good ideas suggested here, and there certainly is alot of interest from plenty of racers, hopefully of the next couple of months we can sort something out!
Seriously there has been some good ideas suggested here, and there certainly is alot of interest from plenty of racers, hopefully of the next couple of months we can sort something out!
#23
If I wanted to know where and when the next state titles for each state and national title are going to be held. who do I ask???? Surley with only 2 months to go the 2003 calender should be written or close to it.
I bet no one can tell me!!!!!!!!!!
Coxy.
I bet no one can tell me!!!!!!!!!!
Coxy.
#25
Originally posted by contact
i could make it up if you really want a place and date!
tradditionally the nsw state titles have been held over the october long weekend... i think that should be the date next year?
i could make it up if you really want a place and date!
tradditionally the nsw state titles have been held over the october long weekend... i think that should be the date next year?
No, no, no . . .
Coxy said :who do I ask????"
AARCMCC may be the sanctioning body, but who/where is the "Organising" body, state or federal?
#26
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Joined: May 2002
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When we raced on road you could --- each title was held in a particular month (1/12th, oval, 1/10th, etc, etc) and a club had to obtain approval from the section head 3 (from memory) months ahead of the event. All classes that would be held of course were laid down in the rules so you would be able to tell what would be held and when.
#27
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Originally posted by contact
you are kidding right?
aarcmcc is the national sanctioning body... its not their role to organise state level events (they may sanction them) its there role to come up with a set of national rules that state bodies can then use to structure their events. aarcmcc is like the federal government not the state government...
have you ever thought just who run roorda? 1 person last time i looked given what they try to achieve i dont think they do too bad a job
you are kidding right?
aarcmcc is the national sanctioning body... its not their role to organise state level events (they may sanction them) its there role to come up with a set of national rules that state bodies can then use to structure their events. aarcmcc is like the federal government not the state government...
have you ever thought just who run roorda? 1 person last time i looked given what they try to achieve i dont think they do too bad a job
Everyone starts with rules as they exist now and to change anything it must go through a simple vote which all clubs are represented in - as all aarcmcc members do know !
Surely uniting is the only way your ever gonna solve your calender concerns.
I would just like to see standard set of rules, preferably based as closely as possible to interational rules, so that it does't matter which event you go to you know the story, and it would be easy to have interclub challenges etc.
Also the level competiton would rapidly improve if there was atleast 1 competiton standard series at every club
#28
I'm sorry contact to correct you but before the olympics the state titles for off-road and on-road were held between August and September because those to months are the dry est time of the year. Most time it was at the end of August. Plus I'm sorry also to say that TCS will be held on the long weekend in October again. Has been booked sealed and deliveried the week after the last. But no one will remember that like last year when the organising body didn't put a calender for the on-road states until about May.
#29
Originally posted by TJ
I'm sorry contact to correct you but before the olympics the state titles for off-road and on-road were held between August and September because those to months are the dry est time of the year. Most time it was at the end of August. Plus I'm sorry also to say that TCS will be held on the long weekend in October again. Has been booked sealed and deliveried the week after the last. But no one will remember that like last year when the organising body didn't put a calender for the on-road states until about May.
I'm sorry contact to correct you but before the olympics the state titles for off-road and on-road were held between August and September because those to months are the dry est time of the year. Most time it was at the end of August. Plus I'm sorry also to say that TCS will be held on the long weekend in October again. Has been booked sealed and deliveried the week after the last. But no one will remember that like last year when the organising body didn't put a calender for the on-road states until about May.
Coxy



