Its expensive , but awesome... Like they are 99% maintenace free!

When the novak comes out I'm sure it won't cost that much. Remember the only thing you really need to keep a brushless going is some spare bearings and some oil, that's all.

Heat sinks
hehehehehe. Yes they cost a huge amount. I am sure you don't just have a car and controller in your pit box do you. do you need fuel to run your car and a starter box to start your car (when it does) and a charger to run you battery packs in a nitro car. Oh and now how long does a nitro engine last these days. And we still do more laps than you

I am not saying that it's for everybody like the gas guys. But for electric it' not such a huge expense compared to what we run now when you add it all up.

Coxy.

I would drop that much in an instance if i knew that they would be reliable, and that they could be put accurately into classes, i am sick of having to get the best packs, truing a motor every couple of runs etc.

Nowadays it is not really a drivers class but that of a efficiency run.

Nobody ever said racing was cheap!

Brushless motors are not, and will not be for everyone. I think there will always be a stock class for those on a tighter budget.
For those running in modified racing, brushless will bring down the cost considerably since most top modified motors won't last you even half a year of constant racing.
But running brushless motors will open up options to electric racing that we have never had the chance to try. eg endurance racing. I can race for over 10mins using a 10 turn brushless at a very decent pace with motor and batteries just warm at the end of the race.
The change to brushless motors will happen, but unless clubs take a positive approach to changes, modified racing will continue to suffer with numbers due to the current running cost of running at the top level of this sport.

I beg to differ.

In todays racing everything is so competitive that you can't afford to cruise. Fuel conservation isn't a issue.

About the last well known form that still runs turbos is the American Champ Cars. This year the rule was abolished where they only had 215 gallons for the race. Now they have been given more fuel for each race.
Champ cars have done this to breed better racing, and every driver I've heard interviewed loves it. Now it comes down to the quickest driver, not the best pit strategy.
Over 20 odd rounds last year they had something like 14 different winners. This year DaMatta has virtually dominated winning everything but a couple so far. As they put it, the lottery has been taken away. And no one is complaining. They run boost control for qualifing at max boost. Then back it off for the race, for reliability unless they want to pass, then it's wound up for a short period to give them an edge. There are also boost restrictors (blow-off valves) used and set by the governing body to try and restrict terminal speeds on various tracks.

F1's a fair while ago changed rules to make fuel stops compulsory to eliminate fuel consumption worries.

Even our beloved V8's aren't worried. Watch next time under brakes. flames are pouring out of the exhaust. They acheive this by raw fuel being pumped into the motor on deccelration. There is no performance gain. It's done for looks. The bigger the flames, the more pictures you'll get in print and on telecast which in turn keeps sponsors happy.
Therfore I don't think there worried about fuel mileage if this would cost them a race. Besides ther doing high 11's low 12's around Bathurst all day now, the pace just keeps getting hotter.

I look forward to brushless, I can't wait to see racing flat out for 5mins or more. Let's take it back to driver and setup and let's see where everyone stands.

I may very well run a brushless at this weekends MECA??? why not is MOD is "Open" for motors.

Even if i get DQ'ed, it would be a good test for the Brushless v Brushed debate.

I knew i should of put my order in the other day. I could of raced you BK with my Brushless. No problem with you getting TQ as the straight is sooo long. as far as Mod is concerned, that's right Mod should be Open so why wait for people to say yes we can run them. Why do we have to wait for rules to be made up, lets just run the damn things and stop whinging about run time.

BK you running in the mud tonight, might see you there.

Coxy.

yes i will be at the CMC dirt track tonight (not racing just spectating!)

bring on the brushless!...actually it will be interesting to see if these brushless motors actually have enough bottom end to compete with the fast mod guys?

no way! are you serious! haha i never knew that.

race mod brushless at mingarra paul, it would be a good demo for the motors.

Scotty hill told me that when he was working with a V8 car team they spent an entire day at Oran Park testing how big they could make the flames shoot out, not even trying to get a chassis set up, the following race this small team had as much coverage as HRT.

If scottyhill has anything to say about "1 to 1" cars then listen. He is in the know and has all the right contacts to find out what most of us don't.

Coxy

Well i raced MECA round 4 with a brushless motor here are my thoughts...

1. NOT enough bottom end, it may have cost me around about 1/4 to 1/2 a second per lap. The guys that turned up for MOD at MECA 4 are Sydney's best racers and in this type of competiton, lack of punch matters. I qualified 10th just seconds out of the A's.

2. Top speed...very good similar to a 10 or 9?, the guys with 7's and 8's had legs on me.

3. Runtime, after each 5min race my packs had about 1min left at 20amps...not as much left over as i had expected. My cells for MECA 4 were Ultra Metal 3000's certainly not lacking runtime and voltage. (if driven at a less frantic pace runtime could be stretched, but i'm not in the business of running enduros)

4. Motor temp after each run was very good, nothing like the usual temp after a 5min mod race for a brushed motor.

5. Cell temps, again very good after each 5min race.

6. General operation, well i did nothing to the motor all day, no timing to adjust (speedo controlled), no brushes to replace, no comm to true.

To sum up the motor was very good, very smooth, but it's not ready for serious competition at the pointy end of modified, for club meets and general RC racing / recreation, the motor is perfect.

So next weekend at the HPI challenge at Forestville i'll be back to my trusty 10x3, and back at the pointy end of modified (on rubber tires...don't get me started on that one... )

My next trip into brushless will be the 100,000 rev limited Novak SS..could be a weapon!

I'm suprised that you had a lack of bottom end punch.
Sounds like you might have had the motor overgeared, you gotta let the motors really rev out. I've found that if you over gear them just slighty then you loose heaps of the bottom end grunt.

Glad to hear somebody in sydney trying out the brushless.

I did play with gearing but maybe your right??? the motor will get another go in a spare car next weekend, i'll try a much shorter ratio. see what happens...