Brushless Motor Racing.

We all know about them. They have been around for a long time and they last a long time. Simply they don’t wear out. No changing brushes, no cutting coms, no need for the battery war. We all know the major manufactures are going to release them soon but are holding back as long as they can to continue to make money from us. I know that they are not legal yet, but if we wait for something to happen it will never happen. Too many people make too much money out of it.
So lets just do it and leave the racing world as we know it behind and let them catch up for once. Just have a read at the Racing Lines Magazine in the article on the Hacker Brushless Motors if you need to be told how quick they are.

People, post away or drop me an e-mail and lets see if I can get a format so we can race. But we need to think what we really want.
Do we want longer race times or faster speeds???????
This five minute racing is ok but the nitro guys have all the fun with their 15 minute finals and so on. What I was thinking was race times in the 8 minute mark or maybe 10. That way the battery war is not so critical and the speeds will be up from what it is now. But if we want to stay at five minutes than that’s fine. It’s up to you!!!! The racer….. here is your chance to have a format that you want.

As long as we move ahead in this sport and stop racing, what can be compared to a carburettor breathing push rod engine. Lets race Hi Tech!!!!!!!!!!!! Western Australia already have a class for this simply called “Open class”. Lets start it on the east coast. How cheap will “Open class” be compared to the “Modified class” as we know it now. Also I can see it as being more a drivers class and not a “Who can make run time” class.

I know I am keen to save money, race longer and quicker than before, but it’s going to take someone with the balls to arrange something and the commitment from other people to make this a success. How cheap will “Open class” be compared to the “Modified class” as we know it now.

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Not everybody has half a grand lying around ready to blow on a brushless motor and esc.

if these engines are the miracles that they claim to be i recon it's a boon for electric.

my personal reason for not getting into electric is the amount of extra stuff that is needed. solders, comm lathes (what are they anyway? ) extra wires, peak chargers, good batteries, plus a whole lot of stuff which a simple nitro driver like myself doesn't know about.

electric to me anyway, seems really time consuming. great racing, but time consuming. a motor like these new brushless things would simplify the hobby alot, and would tempt people in my position or opinion to give it a go. the filth of nitro cars is sometimes a bit annoying. i also read the rc lines article but didn't read anything about how the don't need rebuilds, wear out cutting coms etc.

the day that i can grab a electric motor, peak charge some batteries, solder it all together and just put everything into a hudy evo 2 is the day that i'd join electric....and don't get me wrong i'm eagerly waiting that day, i might just even give up nitro when it becomes that easy.

is it true they cost $500!! (what fatdog said) if the last as long as a nitro engine without a major rebuild (at least 1 year) i'd be willing to spend that. just as long as a brushless rebuild means just pulling it apart and cleaning it...or whatever.

electric is time consuming?

you can often turn up to a track, have a couple of packs and leave before the nitro guy at the bench finally gets his car started only to have it stall around the first corner

sorry.. couldnt resist a quick stir

Thats Aussie dollars not US. And I was basing that on the modeltechs but I don't know how much the novaks will be. I'm guessing that it will be somewhere around $160-$180 for the esc and $120-$140 for the motor in US dollars. Not that cheap, but considering nearly zero maintance except bearings and they'll run forever if well cept it's worth it. In the end it should be close to $500 Aussie. But it will also depend on the exchange rate, whether it bombs again or not.

Looks like Vemomworldorder is going to move to electric Woooo Hoooo wou won't look back.
I have heard that these motors last for ever and need only bearing rebuild at 7,000 hours. Now if you race your car on a day you might get 1 hour track time, so that's 7,000 race meetings LOLOLOL. By then I would say we will be running motors that we have not heard of yet.
The reason they last so long is that there is not wearing parts apart from the brearings. I guess that's why the miltary and the medical world have been using them for so long. Also you can put as much current in them as you like. Planes run these with 27 cells.
Sure it a big one of purchase, but think how long does a hot 8 turn motor last and how offten do you have to update batteries. And if you want to race club days you need to buy another motor so you don't use up your good motors. So now your thinking about the price of two normal motors that is not far off the price of a brushless motor. Actually about the same. I know I am in for it, bring it on.

Antibrush, as for a race format I would like to aleast see 8 min's of racing or more. If we can have a fast race and still not have to worry about dumping than that's got to be good for the pocket. Making run time sure does put a bad element into modifed racing. You really have to keep up with the good packs and if you can take this out then good.

!!!!!!Surley racing is not about making runtime, it's about racing!!!!

Coxy.

I actually rung Perth RC the other day and found out more about them. Motor is $312 and a Speed control $399. Bargin I think.

And Woooo Hooooo I think I have made my 100th post, I just to post this to make 100 LOL.

Coxy.

its already a battery war, why not run for 8min now? and when brushless comes 10 or 12min

I really dont understand what your saying??????? If you make it now at 8 mins it would be more a batt war. With brushless that would take it all out.

Coxy.

im saying its already a battery war, with 3000 stock for example would have no trouble running 8 min (ok so mod might struggle) why not run for 8min now?

i dont think it would make it any worse

Your got to be joking, i have problems making 5 minutes in mod, there are very few people who could even make a very mild mod go that long, i dont know about stock, but i would be guessing that it would kill the motors, and also be very hard on packs, as even in stock good packs are required to be on the pace.

What fun is it racing where all you are doing is conserving fuel? How many real race series would be successful if the cars were pottering around at 80K's/hr, so that they can finish an endurance race on a tank of fuel. I think you have been smelling too much CA while gluing your rubbers to your fingers, and the pit table

Contact you have got to be joking. If you can show me that your total laps times are just a quick in stock if you ran 8 min than they are in 5 I will give up racing. Sure you can run for 8 mins both stock and mod but your lap times are going to be down to make run time. I use now a 8 turn motor for mod some people run 7. You can't tell me that we can't gear these things harder to go quicker if we had no run time issues.

I have to agree with besercoe again. You don't see a race series with cars going around at 80% pace because they are trying to make race distance on fuel.

As far as Brushless motors are concerned, I can't see any down falls in this move apart from shops and manufactures loosing a area of their business that makes a lot of money.

Coxy

you see drivers in 1:1 conserving fuel in just about every single formula that requires the cars to race for longer than 1 tank full of fuel - you probably dont even realise it. otherwise why would they have control over the mixture in the cars or turbo boost in turbo classes... i dare say that some nitro drivers drive to conserve fuel from time to time its not a new concept!

if you have to gear motors down to make time they wont burn up.

and ok i said mod would probably struggle, im curious though how you can run an off rd 4*4 with a 9t and still have run time left over + be compeatidtive.... (i not talking about myself )

in many asian countries THE fromula is 23t stock for 8min can so many have it so wrong?

if its change we fear so be it.... ill go get some acetone and free my fingers so i can go back to sniffing ca!

that sounds like a VERY expensive way to go racing 10th scale
that would be $700 for motor and ESC
then comes the cost of batteries, chargers, heat sinks and lets not forget the most importent thing the bloody chassis!!
give me nitro anyday