Originally Posted by ohiostatechamp

as long as people sight “in the spirit of control racing” I would argue that bearings should also not be replace as ceramics are not cheap and it requires a special tool to change the bearings correctly. The screws only require tools that most racers already have.

Originally Posted by ohiostatechamp

Using Titanium screws was NOT cheating. I read the rules. I spent time sourcing the screws and found a way to improve a motor. I have been race usgt for 4 years and using the screws for almost as long. Only after I posted the results from testing the two different screws was anybody so compelled to change the rules. A knee jurk reaction like NASCAR when motors become too fast after builders find a way. I had 3 motors teched at this years ROAR nationals and NON were flagged for screws. The NEW current rules still fall short. If you think I used titanium because of weight then you missed the point. Weight means nothing when you have to add it to the chassis anyway. Non-Metallic means it must contain metal. Aluminum, Titanium, and stainless steel are Metallic. The question is do I want to spend my time sourcing Metallic materials that are NON MAGNETIC only to be called a cheater again BECAUSE I READ YOUR DAMN RULE BOOK.

Originally Posted by Sabin

There's a question that doesn't seem to be asked in the place of all the arguing. What measurable advantage does a set of titanium motor screws give? Is it a whole second per lap? Is it a half second per lap? A quarter second? A tenth?

Or is it one of those "because we can and we're the ruling body" rules?

Originally Posted by busman

I’m going to need a new bucket of popcorn! It’s kinda like going to the movies and watching a movie you really don’t like, but can’t get up and leave.

Originally Posted by hanulec

less punch (less magnetic metal in the can), more top end.

Originally Posted by Sabin

So... negligible difference. Starting to sound like a rule that was made because they can; a solution looking for a problem.

Originally Posted by gigaplex

Maybe negligible at the club day level when there's half a second per lap separating people, but at the top level when there's a tenth separating the top 10 it makes a noticeable difference.

Originally Posted by Sabin

There's a question that doesn't seem to be asked in the place of all the arguing. What measurable advantage does a set of titanium motor screws give? Is it a whole second per lap? Is it a half second per lap? A quarter second? A tenth?

Or is it one of those "because we can and we're the ruling body" rules?

Originally Posted by robk

This is a motor that is even more tightly regulated than other "spec" motors. A Roar 21.5 motor is a spec motor.


The idea is to buy it and race it. Not to send it to "Stator Stu" to get it tuned up somehow (???), or to change parts for additional money, or whatever other foolishness.

The idea was to take some of the motor madness out of the class, but it seems like it never stops.

Originally Posted by gigaplex

I agree that bearings shouldn't be replaced with ceramics. However that's near impossible to tech. An unenforceable rule is a rule that shouldn't exist. Screws however, they're pretty easy to tech.

Double ceramics are pretty easy to spot though.

Originally Posted by hanulec

less punch (less magnetic metal in the can), more top end.

Originally Posted by ohiostatechamp

Some motors are faster than others right out of the box..... By allowing tweaks, but inside a set parameter, actually allows the motors to be more equal.

Originally Posted by mooby64

Time and money 💰 spent for what??? Plastic Bowling Trophies? I would rather run at the back of the pack with the racers who actually FOLLOW the rules package.

Originally Posted by ohiostatechamp

bearngs could be made with a colored inner race. Just a simple look would be all that is required.