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Using Titanium screws was NOT cheating. I read the rules. I spent time sourcing the screws and found a way to improve a motor. I have been race usgt for 4 years and using the screws for almost as long. Only after I posted the results from testing the two different screws was anybody so compelled to change the rules. A knee jurk reaction like NASCAR when motors become too fast after builders find a way. I had 3 motors teched at this years ROAR nationals and NON were flagged for screws. The NEW current rules still fall short. If you think I used titanium because of weight then you missed the point. Weight means nothing when you have to add it to the chassis anyway. Non-Metallic means it must contain metal. Aluminum, Titanium, and stainless steel are Metallic. The question is do I want to spend my time sourcing Metallic materials that are NON MAGNETIC only to be called a cheater again BECAUSE I READ YOUR DAMN RULE BOOK.
Using Titanium screws was NOT cheating. I read the rules. I spent time sourcing the screws and found a way to improve a motor. I have been race usgt for 4 years and using the screws for almost as long. Only after I posted the results from testing the two different screws was anybody so compelled to change the rules. A knee jurk reaction like NASCAR when motors become too fast after builders find a way. I had 3 motors teched at this years ROAR nationals and NON were flagged for screws. The NEW current rules still fall short. If you think I used titanium because of weight then you missed the point. Weight means nothing when you have to add it to the chassis anyway. Non-Metallic means it must contain metal. Aluminum, Titanium, and stainless steel are Metallic. The question is do I want to spend my time sourcing Metallic materials that are NON MAGNETIC only to be called a cheater again BECAUSE I READ YOUR DAMN RULE BOOK.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of fun, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of USGT" Rule.
Yes the wording falls short on the screw rule. But it should be pretty f@*king obvious that the intent is you don't change the screws. You're intentionally looking for a loophole. Which is breaking the most important rule.
Oldfool, don’t waist your money. The tolerance of the bearings are bad and allow the rotor to occasionally contact the stator. They require super high maintenance just to keep them free spinning. The only advantage is that they do not interfere with the timing sensor.
as long as people sight “in the spirit of control racing” I would argue that bearings should also not be replace as ceramics are not cheap and it requires a special tool to change the bearings correctly. The screws only require tools that most racers already have.
“If it’s not in the rules it’s illegal”. Following that logic we’d still be racing rocks rolling down a hill.
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Is it considered cheating to use black steel type430 with less ferrous content than the original steel screws ??? Hopefully they won't be teching the ferrous content of the steel screws anytime soon....lol.....
Last edited by bertrandsv87; 06-29-2023 at 12:55 PM.
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This is a motor that is even more tightly regulated than other "spec" motors. A Roar 21.5 motor is a spec motor.
The idea is to buy it and race it. Not to send it to "Stator Stu" to get it tuned up somehow (???), or to change parts for additional money, or whatever other foolishness.
The idea was to take some of the motor madness out of the class, but it seems like it never stops.
The idea is to buy it and race it. Not to send it to "Stator Stu" to get it tuned up somehow (???), or to change parts for additional money, or whatever other foolishness.
The idea was to take some of the motor madness out of the class, but it seems like it never stops.
I just started running this class a while back and have had the best fun in a long time. I've not even thought about the motor deal and just tried to work on the chassis and my driving and have had decent success. No need for all the bs that is going on.





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