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Old 06-28-2023 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by robk
Yeah, no.

The joke wasn’t in reference to the rules, it was to the contrary.

It a stab at all the A-holes that do mental gymnastics to argue what they are doing isn’t breaking a clearly written rule, therefore making you have to define it down to the enth degree.

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Old 06-28-2023 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by theproffesor
It a stab at all the A-holes that do mental gymnastics to argue what they are doing isn’t breaking a clearly written rule, therefore making you have to define it down to the enth degree.
"A part is a part. Be it a brake caliper, a rotor, or an upright assembly, and I can swap out any damn thing I want to. We read your damn rule book."
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Old 06-28-2023 | 08:02 PM
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I’m glad we don’t use the usgt motor here in Southern California. Kind of nice to go faster than some 17.5 TC cars while using non belted tires. I’m talking about sportsman class btw.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 02:55 AM
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Using Titanium screws was NOT cheating. I read the rules. I spent time sourcing the screws and found a way to improve a motor. I have been race usgt for 4 years and using the screws for almost as long. Only after I posted the results from testing the two different screws was anybody so compelled to change the rules. A knee jurk reaction like NASCAR when motors become too fast after builders find a way. I had 3 motors teched at this years ROAR nationals and NON were flagged for screws. The NEW current rules still fall short. If you think I used titanium because of weight then you missed the point. Weight means nothing when you have to add it to the chassis anyway. Non-Metallic means it must contain metal. Aluminum, Titanium, and stainless steel are Metallic. The question is do I want to spend my time sourcing Metallic materials that are NON MAGNETIC only to be called a cheater again BECAUSE I READ YOUR DAMN RULE BOOK.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ohiostatechamp
Using Titanium screws was NOT cheating. I read the rules. I spent time sourcing the screws and found a way to improve a motor. I have been race usgt for 4 years and using the screws for almost as long. Only after I posted the results from testing the two different screws was anybody so compelled to change the rules. A knee jurk reaction like NASCAR when motors become too fast after builders find a way. I had 3 motors teched at this years ROAR nationals and NON were flagged for screws. The NEW current rules still fall short. If you think I used titanium because of weight then you missed the point. Weight means nothing when you have to add it to the chassis anyway. Non-Metallic means it must contain metal. Aluminum, Titanium, and stainless steel are Metallic. The question is do I want to spend my time sourcing Metallic materials that are NON MAGNETIC only to be called a cheater again BECAUSE I READ YOUR DAMN RULE BOOK.
You broke one of the most important rules in the rule book.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: If it's not in the rules, and does not encompass the spirit of fun, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal. This is called the "Spirit of USGT" Rule.
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Yes the wording falls short on the screw rule. But it should be pretty f@*king obvious that the intent is you don't change the screws. You're intentionally looking for a loophole. Which is breaking the most important rule.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mrreet2001
any bearings are good to go ...
This legal?

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Old 06-29-2023 | 08:49 AM
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Oldfool, don’t waist your money. The tolerance of the bearings are bad and allow the rotor to occasionally contact the stator. They require super high maintenance just to keep them free spinning. The only advantage is that they do not interfere with the timing sensor.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 08:54 AM
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as long as people sight “in the spirit of control racing” I would argue that bearings should also not be replace as ceramics are not cheap and it requires a special tool to change the bearings correctly. The screws only require tools that most racers already have.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by theproffesor
The joke wasn’t in reference to the rules, it was to the contrary.

It a stab at all the A-holes that do mental gymnastics to argue what they are doing isn’t breaking a clearly written rule, therefore making you have to define it down to the enth degree.
“If it’s not in the rules it’s illegal”. Following that logic we’d still be racing rocks rolling down a hill.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 12:06 PM
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Is it considered cheating to use black steel type430 with less ferrous content than the original steel screws ??? Hopefully they won't be teching the ferrous content of the steel screws anytime soon....lol.....

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Old 06-29-2023 | 12:10 PM
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Just use the damn screws that come with the motor.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 01:32 PM
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This is a motor that is even more tightly regulated than other "spec" motors. A Roar 21.5 motor is a spec motor.

The idea is to buy it and race it. Not to send it to "Stator Stu" to get it tuned up somehow (???), or to change parts for additional money, or whatever other foolishness.

The idea was to take some of the motor madness out of the class, but it seems like it never stops.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 01:35 PM
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I’m going to need a new bucket of popcorn! It’s kinda like going to the movies and watching a movie you really don’t like, but can’t get up and leave.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 02:54 PM
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I just started running this class a while back and have had the best fun in a long time. I've not even thought about the motor deal and just tried to work on the chassis and my driving and have had decent success. No need for all the bs that is going on.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by busman
I’m going to need a new bucket of popcorn! It’s kinda like going to the movies and watching a movie you really don’t like, but can’t get up and leave.

And the entire time you're watching, all you can wonder, are these people embarrassed about themselves?
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