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Metalsoft why don't come race TCS with us. TCS is exactly what you wanted. Racing fun rc cars with non sponsored drivers. You even get to win prizes and a free trip to race in Japan.
Don't know that they have. But yeah, no entry class, people just starting are not wanting to get into it. Race what you want, obviously it is working what ever we are doing. *sarcasm*
New guy: How much does these cost
Vet: Anywhere between $500 and $1,000
New guy: If I get one of the $500 will it be any good?
Vet: most likely not because that guy sponsored by Reedy, RC kicks blah blah blah has about $2000 in his, plus brand new motors etc and kicks everyone's ass.
New Guy: Later amigo
Fair is perception in RC. Most sponsored guys race all the classes anyway. Just let the ones like myself that enjoy racing, and are middle of the road racers, enjoy a class I don't have to worry about that. 13.5, 17.5, 12th scale, are already there and established. You want to work on your skill to get up to those classes, but if you break their sprits before they get there, you are hurting the nature of the sport. This is suppose to be fun, and exciting. Not, I have no chance to finish in the top 3, week after week.
I guess you could lock down something like Tamiya Trucks to the new guys, but what is the fun in that. Just my opinion. Just don't cry when the sport doesn't grow.
New guy: How much does these cost
Vet: Anywhere between $500 and $1,000
New guy: If I get one of the $500 will it be any good?
Vet: most likely not because that guy sponsored by Reedy, RC kicks blah blah blah has about $2000 in his, plus brand new motors etc and kicks everyone's ass.
New Guy: Later amigo
Fair is perception in RC. Most sponsored guys race all the classes anyway. Just let the ones like myself that enjoy racing, and are middle of the road racers, enjoy a class I don't have to worry about that. 13.5, 17.5, 12th scale, are already there and established. You want to work on your skill to get up to those classes, but if you break their sprits before they get there, you are hurting the nature of the sport. This is suppose to be fun, and exciting. Not, I have no chance to finish in the top 3, week after week.
I guess you could lock down something like Tamiya Trucks to the new guys, but what is the fun in that. Just my opinion. Just don't cry when the sport doesn't grow.
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,237
From: Nashville, TN
Yes sir that is on my list for next year. I have already reached out to a few shops for a schedule next year. Can't wait to come race. I have 4 tracks in mind to visit next year. This is how it should be!
I know this is going back years in this thread but I just built my first kit TLR 22 5.0 AC and i bought the turnigy trackstar 17.5 esc motor combo. This thing is slow as shit I'm the slowest on the track. The pros at my local club said theres something wrong and it's a slug and shouldn't be this slow. They looked at my setup and said it shouldn't be this slow because everything else looks perfect. Does this motor esc combo just suck that much?
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,351
From: Arizona
I know this is going back years in this thread but I just built my first kit TLR 22 5.0 AC and i bought the turnigy trackstar 17.5 esc motor combo. This thing is slow as shit I'm the slowest on the track. The pros at my local club said theres something wrong and it's a slug and shouldn't be this slow. They looked at my setup and said it shouldn't be this slow because everything else looks perfect. Does this motor esc combo just suck that much?
I know this is going back years in this thread but I just built my first kit TLR 22 5.0 AC and i bought the turnigy trackstar 17.5 esc motor combo. This thing is slow as shit I'm the slowest on the track. The pros at my local club said theres something wrong and it's a slug and shouldn't be this slow. They looked at my setup and said it shouldn't be this slow because everything else looks perfect. Does this motor esc combo just suck that much?
Assuming you have proper gearing, it might be as simple as re-calibrating your transmitter to the ESC by following the instructions included with the combo.
The ESC and motor you have is statistically perfectly adequate. You are experiencing a setup issue.
I know this is going back years in this thread but I just built my first kit TLR 22 5.0 AC and i bought the turnigy trackstar 17.5 esc motor combo. This thing is slow as shit I'm the slowest on the track. The pros at my local club said theres something wrong and it's a slug and shouldn't be this slow. They looked at my setup and said it shouldn't be this slow because everything else looks perfect. Does this motor esc combo just suck that much?
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,351
From: Arizona
To the OP, I just saw that you are running a buggy, not an onroad car in USGT. So PLEASE do NOT run 45 degrees of timing in an offroad car, you will burn up the motor. And please don't ask me how I know! 

Not USGT related, but figured I'd respond to the new guy to help him out. 
I have one of the older silver Trackstar 17.5 motors. I picked up a motor analyzer and was doing some testing today. The TS 17.5 has a hard stop on the timing and the maximum was 39 degrees. At that timing it was pulling 1.7 amps and did 2447kv at 19337rpm. Pretty bad IMO. Although this is a motor from 2012, it doesn't have much run time. As a comparison, I have a Trinity D4 17.5 and at 35 degrees it pulled 5.9 amps and did 3303kv at 25768rpm. I was curious, so I took the TS 17.5 apart to see if I could advance the timing any further. I removed one of the rotor shims and loosened the timing screws and was able to go over the timing stops. I dialed it in to 6.0amp and that resulted in timing of 49 degrees, 3189kv and 24562rpm.
Before adjustment I had the TS17.5 geared at 69/35 (5.13 FDR) in my TRF201 buggy and it would run forever without getting hot. No idea how it would compare in racing as I've never raced it. If I want to run the new timing level, I'm sure I'll have to gear down and watch the temperatures.
Food for thought and may shed some light as to why the TS 17.5 seems so slow.

I have one of the older silver Trackstar 17.5 motors. I picked up a motor analyzer and was doing some testing today. The TS 17.5 has a hard stop on the timing and the maximum was 39 degrees. At that timing it was pulling 1.7 amps and did 2447kv at 19337rpm. Pretty bad IMO. Although this is a motor from 2012, it doesn't have much run time. As a comparison, I have a Trinity D4 17.5 and at 35 degrees it pulled 5.9 amps and did 3303kv at 25768rpm. I was curious, so I took the TS 17.5 apart to see if I could advance the timing any further. I removed one of the rotor shims and loosened the timing screws and was able to go over the timing stops. I dialed it in to 6.0amp and that resulted in timing of 49 degrees, 3189kv and 24562rpm.
Before adjustment I had the TS17.5 geared at 69/35 (5.13 FDR) in my TRF201 buggy and it would run forever without getting hot. No idea how it would compare in racing as I've never raced it. If I want to run the new timing level, I'm sure I'll have to gear down and watch the temperatures.
Food for thought and may shed some light as to why the TS 17.5 seems so slow.
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