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Old 12-10-2016 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OttoKrosse
Looking for some guidance for setting up shocks and springs. WE run on a track with a couple of bumpy sections and medium traction, what rebound would be recommended for this type of track? My 2015, which I plan to use for GT, is set up with zero rebound but that was set up without any input about what is best for our conditions.....would like to get off to a good start with the new car.

Also, when selecting springs and placement does anyone run stiffer springs in the rear of the car?....and what does that do for handling characteristics. Been running stiffer in front but I'm considering a change for the new car.

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Most still run zero rebound on our track, but I wouldn't go more than 1-2mm worth. I'm using 2.5-2.8 progressive on the front, and 2.3-2.6 progressive xray springs on my xray and it runs very well.
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Old 12-11-2016 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OttoKrosse
Looking for some guidance for setting up shocks and springs. WE run on a track with a couple of bumpy sections and medium traction, what rebound would be recommended for this type of track? My 2015, which I plan to use for GT, is set up with zero rebound but that was set up without any input about what is best for our conditions.....would like to get off to a good start with the new car.

Also, when selecting springs and placement does anyone run stiffer springs in the rear of the car?....and what does that do for handling characteristics. Been running stiffer in front but I'm considering a change for the new car.

Thanks in advance,
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Most still run zero rebound on our track, but I wouldn't go more than 1-2mm worth. I'm using 2.5-2.8 progressive on the front, and 2.3-2.6 progressive xray springs on my xray and it runs very well.
Stiffer in the rear should help give more drive off the corner, whilst also giving a bit more steering. However, having said that, the only time I've ever used stiffer rears was when running Ride RE36 Blue tyres. (ran 2.6 Front, 2.7 rear).

I'm flicking between hard progressives, and 2.7's at the moment... normally ends up being track temperature dependent, where hotter tracks seem to prefer the progressives, and cooler linears. My thoery is that the progressives don't overload the tyre initially, so look after them better over a run. Whereas the linears are good to generate temp with colder track temps.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 03:55 PM
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Hey guys, need some advice for my 2017 t4. I'm running on black CRC carpet and have the factory setup on the car with brand new Sorex 28 tires. The problem is the rear of the car whips around at corner entry. When I reduced the rear droop from 2mm to 1mm over ride height, put stiffer (27) front springs and glued the edges of the front tires it made the car more drivable but it needs more improvement, something to make it less titchy.
Thanks for any help.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by outlandr91
Hey guys, need some advice for my 2017 t4. I'm running on black CRC carpet and have the factory setup on the car with brand new Sorex 28 tires. The problem is the rear of the car whips around at corner entry. When I reduced the rear droop from 2mm to 1mm over ride height, put stiffer (27) front springs and glued the edges of the front tires it made the car more drivable but it needs more improvement, something to make it less titchy.
Thanks for any help.
First thing that comes to mind is why Sorex 28 on black carpet. Seems like double jeopardy there. The 2.7 front springs will make it twitchy as well, id you feel you need the stiffer spring try the progressive. Try more rear camber or camber gain as long as the car is not traction rolling.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 05:26 PM
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I had to use the Sorex tires b/c that's all I had, I was going to buy some Jaco Blues but it looks like they are discontinued . Good idea about adding more rear camber, I didn't think about that!


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First thing that comes to mind is why Sorex 28 on black carpet. Seems like double jeopardy there. The 2.7 front springs will make it twitchy as well, id you feel you need the stiffer spring try the progressive. Try more rear camber or camber gain as long as the car is not traction rolling.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by outlandr91
I had to use the Sorex tires b/c that's all I had, I was going to buy some Jaco Blues but it looks like they are discontinued . Good idea about adding more rear camber, I didn't think about that!
You could try lowering you roll center in the rear.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 05:54 PM
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when would you want to run 100 pct rebound in the shocks? curious.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by outlandr91
I had to use the Sorex tires b/c that's all I had, I was going to buy some Jaco Blues but it looks like they are discontinued . Good idea about adding more rear camber, I didn't think about that!
Jaco blues are still available, as are the Sweep 32's and the Gravity RC tire all good choices for the black carpet
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Old 12-18-2016 | 06:16 PM
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Hey so I'm using the Techra steering bellcranks. No side to side slop but there's up slop up/down. Not a massive issue cos I think I can just shim that out. What seems to be more of an issue is that left to right, the bellcranks seem to get in the way so I don't see the steering hubs and the C-hubs touch the limiters. Any way around this??

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Old 12-18-2016 | 06:49 PM
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just throwing this out there,

if anyone is selling their kit, let me know.
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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JEFFs SC10
when would you want to run 100 pct rebound in the shocks? curious.
asphalt. Rebound tends to give more traction. Thats why the foam inserts are only used for asphalt too. It gives more rebound for more traction.

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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:04 PM
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ok so for high grip crc black carpet, I need to rebuild the shocks for zero rebound then?

what should I do for shocks?
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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JEFFs SC10
ok so for high grip crc black carpet, I need to rebuild the shocks for zero rebound then?

what should I do for shocks?
Yes. Or just something less than 25%. After you run a few times it will be close to zero that way. If you try to build them with absolute zero you'll get air in them right off the bat.

I would start with 450 all around. Stock pistons.

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Old 12-18-2016 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by outlandr91
Hey guys, need some advice for my 2017 t4. I'm running on black CRC carpet and have the factory setup on the car with brand new Sorex 28 tires. The problem is the rear of the car whips around at corner entry. When I reduced the rear droop from 2mm to 1mm over ride height, put stiffer (27) front springs and glued the edges of the front tires it made the car more drivable but it needs more improvement, something to make it less titchy.
Thanks for any help.
run a normal setup or one that is proven for CRC carpet high grip. Check out EA's and Robbie Dodge's setups from Stock Wars recently run at 360v2 in Rochelle NY.

Than glue the shit out your tire, like up to the flat almost. Than try different amounts of dope, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, etc. My guess is you won't be able to go past half. Sorex 28's are waaaayyyyyy to soft for CRC black carpet especially if there's an established groove.

But yes less rear droop, less front droop, more weight forward, harder front springs, thicker oil up front, less camber, zero camber gain up front, higher roll center in the front, higher front ride height than rear. These are all things that would help with your aggressive over-steer problem from these tires.
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Old 12-19-2016 | 08:33 AM
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You've given me a lot of great ideas, thanks very much. I can't wait to try them!

Originally Posted by bkspeedo
run a normal setup or one that is proven for CRC carpet high grip. Check out EA's and Robbie Dodge's setups from Stock Wars recently run at 360v2 in Rochelle NY.

Than glue the shit out your tire, like up to the flat almost. Than try different amounts of dope, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, etc. My guess is you won't be able to go past half. Sorex 28's are waaaayyyyyy to soft for CRC black carpet especially if there's an established groove.

But yes less rear droop, less front droop, more weight forward, harder front springs, thicker oil up front, less camber, zero camber gain up front, higher roll center in the front, higher front ride height than rear. These are all things that would help with your aggressive over-steer problem from these tires.
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