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Old 02-15-2014 | 06:37 AM
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SCT tower is just stamped aluminum.

EB tower is milled from a stronger bigger piece.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by morfn321
Hey guys, I have a original sct 410 box stock. I was thinking about changing the shock springs and maybe the pistons. There is a lot of information floating around about this. Is there a set that everyone likes for an indoor smooth med to high bite track? 8.3 or 8.4 pistons, green springs front and rear.... Not real big jumps. Med size track. Love the truck stock but I think it can be better. Thanks
The general go to piston is the 8x1.3. A neutral spring suggestion is green front & rear. Some like the overall stiffness higher than that, some like it a little stiffer in the rear. The springs are kind of all over the place depending on if they run indoor or outdoor, big jump, small jump.

Since you have the original box stock you should be running black front and pink rear.
Tekno pistons are $25, fioronis are $35. Spend the extra $10 on the fioronis.
If you are running smooth indoor like I am and you already have the pink rear spring...
Buy the Durango white/black front spring (TDR330413), fioroni's and some 27.5 & 22.5 wt oil. (I have gone back & forth on the rear oil, 22 & 20... leaning towards 20 now but 22's a safe place to start). Build the shocks emulsion zero rebound.

$35 pistons, $5 spring and you have the best setup for a smooth indoor track I have found yet (should be very good outdoor as well but can't attest to it).

That's my 2¢, maybe others will have piston & spring combos to share that work for them as well.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tc5 man
Have you guys had issues bleeding the shocks with the plastic caps Emoulsion style i have plently of oil in them and the holes in the cap look like there cleared but no oil coming out ? Im using the Xray pistons if that matters.

I tried to put the cap screw in and went up and down on the shaft and it seems fine smooth and has a little rebound.
I thought about this and if you are still running 4 limiting orings with the new lower shock caps... that's why they are not bleeding any oil out the bleed hole.
The shaft is not allowed to push in far enough to disperse the oil out the cap.

Remove at least two orings to get down to the max suggested limiting and they should bleed correctly... better, run zero orings.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 08:29 AM
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That's the plan how about you?
yes. EJ and i will be there. can't wait to run the new track. what tires are working on this truck?
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Old 02-15-2014 | 08:56 AM
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Hey guys I finally got my HD 4300 in last night. I have no idea why I waited so long, after I hooked it I was shocked how much smoother it was over the Tenshock. I'm starting out with a 17t, I'm about to go test it in the street!



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Old 02-15-2014 | 09:03 AM
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[QUOTE=fq06;13010600]I thought about this and if you are still running 4 limiting orings with the new lower shock caps... that's why they are not bleeding any oil out the bleed hole.
The shaft is not allowed to push in far enough to disperse the oil out the cap.

I have read that you have to put a little oil in the cap before you put it on also, along with overfilling the shock as much as possible, in order to have enough in there to displace the air......
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Old 02-15-2014 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fq06
I thought about this and if you are still running 4 limiting orings with the new lower shock caps... that's why they are not bleeding any oil out the bleed hole.
The shaft is not allowed to push in far enough to disperse the oil out the cap.

I have read that you have to put a little oil in the cap before you put it on also, along with overfilling the shock as much as possible, in order to have enough in there to displace the air......
My technique:

With the bleed screw out, compress the shock fully. Put a drop of shock oil in the bleed hole until it is slightly overflowing. Pull the shock rod down slowly. Add more shock oil. Repeat until shock is fully extended.

This will give you a shock that is definitely overfilled. I let them sit with the bleed hole up for about ten minutes. Then slowly compress the shock all the way. Install bleed screw. Clean up mess. (I never said my technique was perfect) Cycle quickly a few times. Check rebound and listen for that telltale trapped air "squeak".
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Old 02-15-2014 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RC*PHREAK
yes. EJ and i will be there. can't wait to run the new track. what tires are working on this truck?
I was using gold Barcodes and liked the feel. The track is still settling so I would cautiously use super soft or green. In a week or two should be fine.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoese37
SCT tower is just stamped aluminum.

EB tower is milled from a stronger bigger piece.
Thanks. That makes sense.

I think I'll go with my usual plan of taking weight out to minimize stress on electronics, modified as necessary for handling and durability. I've been running a modified Hyper 10sc the past few months. Curious to see how the two different generations of trucks drive back-to-back.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 09:37 AM
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I agree Kevin & Razz, but I don't think any technique would work with 4 limiting orings AND the new lower cap & guide building emulsion.

On Thursday I changed oil in the rear shocks and just to test I did not put anything in the cap. Cap upside down to let residual oil fall out. Filled body to a crown and screwed the cap on.
Tons of oil came out without having to fill the cap and do the old quick flip and screw.

I don't think you can build the shocks with all of those limiters (4, not as Tekno intended) and not have air left in the shock.

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Old 02-15-2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoese37
Yeah I plan on coming up to ND this summer and do a race. Are you planning on coming down at all this year?
Targeting it. I just have to make a weekend of it and with my wife working every other weekend, they weekends become premium. Timamybrown does he race at FTR?

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The general go to piston is the 8x1.3.

... Tekno pistons are $25, fioronis are $35. Spend the extra $10 on the fioronis.
On the cheap, the Kyosho 1.3mm x 8 hole pistons work well and are about $13 for a full set. That is what I use in both my eb48 and SCT410.

If the xrays work, they may be an even better deal as you get 3 sizes I believe for about the same price.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...x12-13-10x11-6
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Old 02-15-2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by fq06
I agree Kevin & Razz, but I don't think any technique would work with 4 limiting orings AND the new lower cap & guide building emulsion.

On Thursday I changed oil in the rear shocks and just to test I did not put anything in the cap. Cap upside down to let residual oil fall out. Filled body to a crown and screwed the cap on.
Tons of oil came out without having to fill the cap and do the old quick flip and screw.

I don't think you can build the shocks with all of those limiters (4, not as Tekno intended) and not have air left in the shock.
Well I certainly agree with not using 4 o-rings with the new caps, I'm pretty sure we were all pretty clear that it wasn't intended to be that way, not sure if he took that advice or not......I personally run 2 with the old caps.

Also, as far as Razbow's suggestion, I actually have a small syringe with a plastic needle tip for a CA glue bottle on it just for this purpose. For smaller shocks the needle tip actually seals itself inside the threaded hole and
when I draw the shaft down it pulls the oil out of the syringe by itself. It's great for a quick topoff instead of a complete refill, you can do it without even reomving the shock from the car.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinpratt823
Well I certainly agree with not using 4 o-rings with the new caps, I'm pretty sure we were all pretty clear that it wasn't intended to be that way, not sure if he took that advice or not......I personally run 2 with the old caps.
I think tc5 is still running 4 (6 by old cap standards) which is why I brought that post back up a few pages. Didn't see any indication that was getting changed. I don't think its possible no matter what you do to build emulsion correctly with that many orings.
Not to mention the setup issus.
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Old 02-15-2014 | 11:45 AM
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Going to run the new rev RCSHOX pistons. Had good success with them in the sc10
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Old 02-15-2014 | 11:51 AM
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[QUOTE=fq06;13010576]
Tekno pistons are $25, fioronis are $35. Spend the extra $10 on the fioronis.

do you have a link for 35.00 fioronis?
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