Community
Wiki Posts
Search
Like Tree2991Likes

1/12 forum

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-21-2013 | 11:27 AM
  #39106  
AdrianM's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,101
From: Saint Petersburg, FL
Default

Originally Posted by tnewlon
Hi everyone,

I have been involved in 1/12 for a couple of years now with my kids running an associated and a xray car. I am now thinking about getting a Serpent S120 LTX for myself.

My question is, can I get a recommondation from everyone on best ESC / Motor for this class. I was going to go with the D3.5 17.5 Maxzilla but I guess not now with ruling from ROAR. My kids run the Hobbywing 1S ESC w/ Reedy Sonic 17.5 motors. Wondering if there might be something better I may have overlooked.

Thanks for the feedback, love this forum!

The HW 1S speedo is the best blinky or boosted speedo running now...its also the cheapest that comes with a built in booster.

Reedy Sonic, Thunder Power w/Green rotor or Revtech Maxzilla 17.5's are all excellent.
AdrianM is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 11:34 AM
  #39107  
AdrianM's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,101
From: Saint Petersburg, FL
Default

Originally Posted by Justin33
Just getting into 1/12th again gonna be running a bmi db12r and looking for some gearing advice i'm running a murfdogg 17.5 with a lrp sxx stock spec v2 esc running max boost and timing not sure about tire diameter but it'll be the crc tires straight out of the box. Any help on spur and pinion size would be great thanks alot.
Run a roll out of 100mm in 17.5. That's a 56 pinion with a 76 spur with 43mm tires. Temp you motor after 2 min and gear up or down to stay lower than ~155 deg F. If you are at 100mm roll out and the motor is cool bump up the timing 5 deg at a time until you are around ~150deg.

Check your lap times as gearing up or increasing timing with no lap time improvement means you are over geared or over timed. You may never get to 150 deg if the room is cold.

If you are running on carpet cut your tires to 41.5mm F/43mm rear or your car will be traction rolling/lifting/diffing out.
AdrianM is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:00 PM
  #39108  
Tech Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 329
Default

Originally Posted by sundevil67
Hi All,
I am looking for some recommendations for a pinion gear for my new Plazma RA. Here is the configuration I'll be running, primarily on pavement:

Spur Gear: 64P-94T
Motor: ORION VORTEX 3.5T
ESC: ORION VORTEX R10
Battery: Orion Carbon Pro LiPo 6400mAh 90C 3.7V

Thanks!
I would start with a 24 pinion. If you post your speedo settings I can probably get you closer to what I am running. I am also running Orion R10 and a Orion 3.5.

Steve Dunn
sdunnmcp is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:09 PM
  #39109  
tnewlon's Avatar
Tech Addict
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 628
From: Glen Carbon, IL
Default Tires

Where can I get unmounted / untrued tires? Buying sets of mounted/trued tires gets $$$$. Thanks
tnewlon is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:10 PM
  #39110  
superspeed's Avatar
Tech Master
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,166
Default

Any track is doing vintage 1/12 racing? You know, 4 cell brushed, hehe...
superspeed is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:11 PM
  #39111  
Clegg's Avatar
Moderator
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,609
From: Outside doing things in places... Denver, CO
Default

Originally Posted by tnewlon
Where can I get unmounted / untrued tires? Buying sets of mounted/trued tires gets $$$$. Thanks
these days - in the end - you'll end up paying almost as much as you would for mounted/trued tires. Mainly due to the premium that's charged for the exotic foam compounds being used these days and how few people sell those compounds in unmounted donuts.
Clegg is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:17 PM
  #39112  
DesertRat's Avatar
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,509
From: Sniffin the 'Sauce Fumes
Default

Originally Posted by Justin33
Just getting into 1/12th again gonna be running a bmi db12r and looking for some gearing advice i'm running a murfdogg 17.5 with a lrp sxx stock spec v2 esc running max boost and timing not sure about tire diameter but it'll be the crc tires straight out of the box. Any help on spur and pinion size would be great thanks alot.
Originally Posted by AdrianM
Run a roll out of 100mm in 17.5. That's a 56 pinion with a 76 spur with 43mm tires. Temp you motor after 2 min and gear up or down to stay lower than ~155 deg F. If you are at 100mm roll out and the motor is cool bump up the timing 5 deg at a time until you are around ~150deg.

Check your lap times as gearing up or increasing timing with no lap time improvement means you are over geared or over timed. You may never get to 150 deg if the room is cold.

If you are running on carpet cut your tires to 41.5mm F/43mm rear or your car will be traction rolling/lifting/diffing out.
NOOOOO, Do NOT go to 100mm of rollout in BOOSTED 17.5, the car will be a dog or burn up. If you have the murfdog 17.5, which I think is the same as a Reedy 17.5, and the LRP Stock Spec V2 ESC at full song on boost, gear about 70mm of rollout with neutral timing on the endbell, whatever comes as stock and reads zero. Set Torque/Feel at about a 3 or 4, five really only generates more heat, and in order to get more boost into the motor you will have to gear DOWN, not up, to get more boost as the LRP boost is RPM based, more RPM means more boost. I have run nearly this exact combination of ESC settings and spec motor, and it can run hard and pull RPM a long way, but it's not intuitive as saying 'gearing up gives you more heat and top end speed'.
DesertRat is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:22 PM
  #39113  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (45)
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 805
From: Canada
Default

Originally Posted by DesertRat
NOOOOO, Do NOT go to 100mm of rollout in BOOSTED 17.5, the car will be a dog or burn up. If you have the murfdog 17.5, which I think is the same as a Reedy 17.5, and the LRP Stock Spec V2 ESC at full song on boost, gear about 70mm of rollout with neutral timing on the endbell, whatever comes as stock and reads zero. Set Torque/Feel at about a 3 or 4, five really only generates more heat, and in order to get more boost into the motor you will have to gear DOWN, not up, to get more boost as the LRP boost is RPM based, more RPM means more boost. I have run nearly this exact combination of ESC settings and spec motor, and it can run hard and pull RPM a long way, but it's not intuitive as saying 'gearing up gives you more heat and top end speed'.
So what's a good pinion and spur with 43mm tires to get a 70mm rollout?
Justin33 is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:41 PM
  #39114  
DesertRat's Avatar
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,509
From: Sniffin the 'Sauce Fumes
Default

42x81 comes pretty close. Get a rollout app for your phone, I think it might even be free.
DesertRat is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 12:52 PM
  #39115  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (74)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,856
From: Marietta, Ga
Default

Heres a great one for android

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...eamusoft.gears
PROMODVETTE is offline  
Old 01-21-2013 | 01:09 PM
  #39116  
AdrianM's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,101
From: Saint Petersburg, FL
Default

Originally Posted by DesertRat
NOOOOO, Do NOT go to 100mm of rollout in BOOSTED 17.5, the car will be a dog or burn up. If you have the murfdog 17.5, which I think is the same as a Reedy 17.5, and the LRP Stock Spec V2 ESC at full song on boost, gear about 70mm of rollout with neutral timing on the endbell, whatever comes as stock and reads zero. Set Torque/Feel at about a 3 or 4, five really only generates more heat, and in order to get more boost into the motor you will have to gear DOWN, not up, to get more boost as the LRP boost is RPM based, more RPM means more boost. I have run nearly this exact combination of ESC settings and spec motor, and it can run hard and pull RPM a long way, but it's not intuitive as saying 'gearing up gives you more heat and top end speed'.
Sorry, I missed the Boost part. All we run around here is blinky.
AdrianM is offline  
Old 01-23-2013 | 06:22 PM
  #39117  
BadSign's Avatar
Tech Master
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,273
From: Franklin, IN
Default

I have 2 roll center questions, if anyone can help. It's been 10 years since I ran pan cars, and that was on an oval:

1: Where is the roll center on the rear of the car, on the middle of the axle, at the lower pod plate, or in some mysterious nether region I'm unaware of?

2: Does raising the hingepins on the front end lower the front roll center?, and won't this allow more roll? Will this be better in larger or tighter corners?

Thanks!
BadSign is offline  
Old 01-24-2013 | 05:43 AM
  #39118  
DesertRat's Avatar
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,509
From: Sniffin the 'Sauce Fumes
Default

The rear roll center is the rear pivot ball... I know, super mysterious.
The front roll center is a function of where the angle formed by the upper and lower arms would meet, and how high that is. So making the top arm on a 1/12 car more flat would raise the front roll center.
DesertRat is offline  
Old 01-24-2013 | 05:49 AM
  #39119  
AdrianM's Avatar
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 6,101
From: Saint Petersburg, FL
Default

Originally Posted by BadSign
I have 2 roll center questions, if anyone can help. It's been 10 years since I ran pan cars, and that was on an oval:

1: Where is the roll center on the rear of the car, on the middle of the axle, at the lower pod plate, or in some mysterious nether region I'm unaware of?

2: Does raising the hingepins on the front end lower the front roll center?, and won't this allow more roll? Will this be better in larger or tighter corners?

Thanks!
1. Like Desert Rat said.

2. Raising the hinge pin does not alter the roll center on suspension with a fixed lower arm. Think of the lower arm as an infinitely long (pivot point to pivot point) lower suspension arm that is parallel to the ground. Changing the upper arm angle will cause a line drawn through it to intersect the lower arm's line at a different point. This is the instantaneous center of rotation. This changes the camber curve. Raising the hinge pin or lowering the outboard ball reduces camber gain. This along with the necessary increase in static camber to allow even tire wear will make the car feel smoother to drive.

Last edited by AdrianM; 01-24-2013 at 08:21 AM.
AdrianM is offline  
Old 01-24-2013 | 08:34 AM
  #39120  
Tech Adept
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 131
From: Switzerland
Default

The rear roll center is the rear pivot ball... I know, super mysterious.
The front roll center is a function of where the angle formed by the upper and lower arms would meet, and how high that is. So making the top arm on a 1/12 car more flat would raise the front roll center.
Yes and No. The car rolls around that pivot, but it's not the rollcenter. If you raise the front pivotballs of the Links/T-Bar you will lower the rollcenter.
Der Dicke is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.