thanks! never heard about the Orca VXI I'll take a look

went through and determined what I needed to finish out this old project ftm ftr 12 project.... some missing parts. Looks like I'll just park the project for awhile and considering the tbar cars are now somewhat obsolete. Thinking of a TC Kit.

thanks everyone for the excellent advice.

used the team associated manual for parts

1403 - 1.65" turnbuckle (2 needed)
6274 - ball cup (4 needed)

4626 - steering block (2 needed)
4627 - front axle (2 needed)
4673 - bhcs M2.5X0.45X4 (2 needed)
31550 - locking nut (2 needed)
6284 - 4-40x.250 (6 needed)

4554 - rear axle shims .250 (4 needed)

4630 - Servo mount (2 pcs)
4624 - spacer (2 needed)
7337 - washer (4 needed)
31532 - M3x8mm bhcs (4 needed)

31280 - ball stud 5mm short (2 needed)
31550 - M3x0.5 locking nut (2 needed)

There is also the Team Orion R10 1-2s, no receiver pack needed.

thanks, so here is the list of esc that need no booster for 1s application:

viper vtx1
hobbywing 1s 120A
team orion r10
orca VX1

If somebody knows about another one, let us know

Not sure you know this but there are several versions of the Orion esc, the one you'd want is the r10 pro 1s-2s version.

CoreRC Pace 45R, limited to blinky racing but no booster required.

I just add to your list.

many ESC I've never heard of, it's getting interesting


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With the Xti there isn't much room on the chassis for electronics. I would highly recommend the Viper for that since it is the smallest. The footprint is the same size as the Tekin RS only you don't need a booster. The down side is because the case is all aluminum it is quite heavy compared to the other ESCs.

Receiver can make a difference too. I have a two Xti's both with the HW 120A 1s and they fit fine, and neatly IMHO, with a KO 407s. I wouldn't have a chance with a bigger receiver though. The HW is about 3-4 g heavier than the Tekin despite the larger footprint. Its just about a wash when you consider a booster or rec pack.

Ideally I would like to use:

- sanwa 451 receiver
36.5 x 24.0 x 15.0mm

just to do the comparison the ko407s is 28 x 18.3 x 18.5 mm...

- s9650 servo

Length:1.42 in (36.1 mm)
Width:0.59 in (15.0 mm)
Height:1.14 in (29.0 mm)

- HW 1S ESC
43mm(L) * 36mm(W) * 33mm(H, with cooling fan)

The HW isn't small..

Maybe I should have bought a 12R5.2

The 12r5.2 may have been a better way to go ,my mate used his new xti only twice before it literally fell to bits.
Had to order the new upgrade chassis kit,so it is now a not so cheap car.

Remember, it is possible to mount a receiver on its side and save space that way. Some of the 2.4 GHz receivers are so small that you could even consider mounting them on top of the servo in an Xti given that the servo you have to use is also tiny!

What is smallest size of cables I can safely use in a 1/12:

- between the ESC and motor?
- between the motor and lipos?

I'll need to save some room

Unless you are going mod racing...use 16awg.