2LikesTekno RC EB48 Thread
07-13-2012 | 12:49 PM
#841
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,513
From: Belleville, MI
07-13-2012 | 05:33 PM
#844
Any plans to attend the 1/8th Electric Offroad World Chamionship @ The Tiltyard?
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
07-13-2012 | 05:36 PM
#845
Any plans to attend the 1/8th Electric Offroad World Chamionship @ The Tiltyard?
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
07-13-2012 | 06:42 PM
#846
Any plans to attend the 1/8th Electric Offroad World Chamionship @ The Tiltyard?
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
You guys should look into it, Homer puts on an event like no other.... Ask those in attendance for the Nats and Pro Series races that were hosted there.
07-13-2012 | 09:23 PM
#847
really?
Teknorc...
u guys shoulda compared vs. the Serpent e-buggy... it is currently the best e-buggy (considering quality, fit n finish, performance, etc) available at this time
tho the diagonal numbers might be a larger difference, everyone in the Serpent e-buggy thread (also not NASA scientists ... ) has stated over and over, from real track experience, that the car is "very" planted and difficult to unsettle on the track. And no one, I mean no one, has broken anything on the damn car!!!
curious... why dont u offer a Serpent nitro to electric conversion similar to the other manuf that u offer? I didn't see anything listed on the tehno site.
call it a hunch, nothing scientific, but I really don't think that the other manf, that u listed in a previous post, would be able to come up with numbers to make a case remotely close to the Serpent... and yeah, I would challenge those to do so. Competition breads better results, not more hatred.
I haven't read this whole thread, but has there been any discussion about what a dual pack offers for battery type options, e.g. 2s, 3s, etc. This is one of the main reasons why I chose the Serpent; it had the best quality and performance and a 'style' that I liked .. for the best cost: I could use same batteries for 1/10 if I wanted.
having the dual pack means that I can share 2s and 3s lipos with other cars AND it also gives me a more versatile combination to work with, 2x3s, still gives me 6s when wired in parallel. This is an attractive feature for guys ( and girls ) who race several classes in 1/10 scale, that they "really" want to try the "big track" that the 1/8 scale cars run on.
Some people think they break allot, but with the 'right' car, they are very durable... and when, with a 2 pack layout, u can use some of your better 1/10 scale packs, or since 2s lipos are typically cheaper batteries anyway ( heck, I paid $40 from HobbyKing for my Turnigy 2s 5800 65c pack ), it makes stepping INTO the 1/8 scale market much easier to justify the extra $ in getting new/more batteries.
This is the main reason I would like to see Tekno make a dual pack layout... to make the class more "affordable" to get into, thus increasing the class numbers and more recognition, which it desperately needs if e-Truggy will ever even become a class... where 2 pack layout makes even more economical sense, put 'performance', 'balance', 'numbers'.. aside.
a single pack layout means I can only have 1 pack to get me the juice I need. 1 4s, or 1 6s.. and this also means that I must have more batteries for all my cars.. kinda expensive!!! I'm not sure about too many options for 1 5s, but maybe there are and I just haven't seen them.
still, I think the Tekno is a good step in the right e-buggy direction, and hopefully soon, with more racers, and manuf participating, it will be a ROAR and IFMAR class.
Thanks for all the hard work!!!!
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u guys shoulda compared vs. the Serpent e-buggy... it is currently the best e-buggy (considering quality, fit n finish, performance, etc) available at this time
tho the diagonal numbers might be a larger difference, everyone in the Serpent e-buggy thread (also not NASA scientists ... ) has stated over and over, from real track experience, that the car is "very" planted and difficult to unsettle on the track. And no one, I mean no one, has broken anything on the damn car!!!
curious... why dont u offer a Serpent nitro to electric conversion similar to the other manuf that u offer? I didn't see anything listed on the tehno site.
call it a hunch, nothing scientific, but I really don't think that the other manf, that u listed in a previous post, would be able to come up with numbers to make a case remotely close to the Serpent... and yeah, I would challenge those to do so. Competition breads better results, not more hatred.
I haven't read this whole thread, but has there been any discussion about what a dual pack offers for battery type options, e.g. 2s, 3s, etc. This is one of the main reasons why I chose the Serpent; it had the best quality and performance and a 'style' that I liked
.. for the best cost: I could use same batteries for 1/10 if I wanted.having the dual pack means that I can share 2s and 3s lipos with other cars AND it also gives me a more versatile combination to work with, 2x3s, still gives me 6s when wired in parallel. This is an attractive feature for guys ( and girls ) who race several classes in 1/10 scale, that they "really" want to try the "big track" that the 1/8 scale cars run on.
Some people think they break allot, but with the 'right' car, they are very durable... and when, with a 2 pack layout, u can use some of your better 1/10 scale packs, or since 2s lipos are typically cheaper batteries anyway ( heck, I paid $40 from HobbyKing for my Turnigy 2s 5800 65c pack ), it makes stepping INTO the 1/8 scale market much easier to justify the extra $ in getting new/more batteries.
This is the main reason I would like to see Tekno make a dual pack layout... to make the class more "affordable" to get into, thus increasing the class numbers and more recognition, which it desperately needs if e-Truggy will ever even become a class... where 2 pack layout makes even more economical sense, put 'performance', 'balance', 'numbers'.. aside.
a single pack layout means I can only have 1 pack to get me the juice I need. 1 4s, or 1 6s.. and this also means that I must have more batteries for all my cars.. kinda expensive!!! I'm not sure about too many options for 1 5s, but maybe there are and I just haven't seen them.
still, I think the Tekno is a good step in the right e-buggy direction, and hopefully soon, with more racers, and manuf participating, it will be a ROAR and IFMAR class.
Thanks for all the hard work!!!!
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Last edited by mrnizzles; 07-13-2012 at 09:47 PM.
07-13-2012 | 09:40 PM
#848
You go and enjoy that 811E bub , till an EB48 comes flyin by you during a race 
Tekno isnt gonna make a conversion for a buggy unless there is a market for it and less people own Serpents than XRays and they dont make a conversion for that either .
Tekno isnt gonna make a conversion for a buggy unless there is a market for it and less people own Serpents than XRays and they dont make a conversion for that either .
07-13-2012 | 10:25 PM
#849
everything goes flying by me in a race.. im a crappy driver...
mostly I was interested in the cost comparison for new people joining the class... instead of more over the top 'scientific' crap to say "we're better" !!! ... kinda like UR post.
mostly I was interested in the cost comparison for new people joining the class... instead of more over the top 'scientific' crap to say "we're better" !!! ... kinda like UR post.
07-14-2012 | 02:08 AM
#850
@mrnizzles: You bring up a good point about cost, but it isn't the only one. Allow me a moment to continue your discussion.
There is merit to finding the cheapest (price) to get into trying 8th scale electric. There is also merit to finding the most affordable (price + maintenance cost). There is also merit to finding the most value (price + maintenance cost + performance). Of course there's also merit to finding the best race car (performance).
A note on battery packs. Just because there's only 1 battery tray doesn't mean you can't still use 2x 2s packs, just stand them up side by side and wire them in series. Is it ideal? Probably not, but it can work fine that way too to keep entrance price down like you mentioned.
Personally, I want a combination of performance and maintenance cost, and the EB48 looks to be right there with reasonable costs to get into and an expected low cost to run, along with great performance characteristics.
Everybody wants something different...but the EB48 is giving a lot of people what they want. The hype around it at the tracks in the area is amazing, and more than I've seen for any other release. This does not mean that your car of choice isn't right for you or is bad, just that the EB48 is right for me and many others seem to think similarly.
There is merit to finding the cheapest (price) to get into trying 8th scale electric. There is also merit to finding the most affordable (price + maintenance cost). There is also merit to finding the most value (price + maintenance cost + performance). Of course there's also merit to finding the best race car (performance).
A note on battery packs. Just because there's only 1 battery tray doesn't mean you can't still use 2x 2s packs, just stand them up side by side and wire them in series. Is it ideal? Probably not, but it can work fine that way too to keep entrance price down like you mentioned.
Personally, I want a combination of performance and maintenance cost, and the EB48 looks to be right there with reasonable costs to get into and an expected low cost to run, along with great performance characteristics.
Everybody wants something different...but the EB48 is giving a lot of people what they want. The hype around it at the tracks in the area is amazing, and more than I've seen for any other release. This does not mean that your car of choice isn't right for you or is bad, just that the EB48 is right for me and many others seem to think similarly.
07-14-2012 | 04:43 AM
#851
Tech Adept
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 145
From: Michigan
Ayy
Serpent owners need to stop harassing this thread. You guys have made your objections and stated your issues, but I don't think that the wonderful people from Tekno should have to respond to some of the silly posts that have been made(although they have done a great job with responding truthfully and with respect). There is no need to bash a buggy that hasn't even come out.
Regarding this layout war, I think very few people on this forum have done as much testing on dual v.s. single packs as Tekno. They have strong evidence to say the single pack layout is better(In their OPINION). No one ever said the 811be was bad, but if your on the Tekno EB48 thread, you can expect us to say that the EB48 is better. I also expect to hear that the Serpent is the best when I'm on the 811 thread.
In my OPINION of course a buggy that weighs well over 8lbs is going to be planted and hard to unsettle. It will also most likely be a tank in terms of strength, but heavy things crash harder. I don't think Serpent is the money saver's choice for r/c. Maybe if you race 1/10 and are willing to run two packs that have been discharged seprately and risk running them together it might be cheaper.
I think competition has bread a better result and that result is the EB48......BOOM
I apologise if this post has offended any of the Serpent owners. I'm sorry I brought your car into this.
Regarding this layout war, I think very few people on this forum have done as much testing on dual v.s. single packs as Tekno. They have strong evidence to say the single pack layout is better(In their OPINION). No one ever said the 811be was bad, but if your on the Tekno EB48 thread, you can expect us to say that the EB48 is better. I also expect to hear that the Serpent is the best when I'm on the 811 thread.
In my OPINION of course a buggy that weighs well over 8lbs is going to be planted and hard to unsettle. It will also most likely be a tank in terms of strength, but heavy things crash harder. I don't think Serpent is the money saver's choice for r/c. Maybe if you race 1/10 and are willing to run two packs that have been discharged seprately and risk running them together it might be cheaper.
I think competition has bread a better result and that result is the EB48......BOOM
I apologise if this post has offended any of the Serpent owners. I'm sorry I brought your car into this.
Last edited by Oldanski311; 07-23-2012 at 12:25 AM.
07-14-2012 | 05:05 AM
#852
I'm glad you said it. I've been lurking on this thread for awhile (because I want an EB48 sooo bad!) and it has started to become a "my dad can beat up your dad" thread.
In the end it is going to come down to the driver anyway. I understand the need to justify a purchase to yourself and to your peers but all that crap goes away real quick when the race starts.
They are both marvels of design. Although, it is quite obvious that the EB48 is superior mwahahahaaa!
In the end it is going to come down to the driver anyway. I understand the need to justify a purchase to yourself and to your peers but all that crap goes away real quick when the race starts.
They are both marvels of design. Although, it is quite obvious that the EB48 is superior mwahahahaaa!
07-14-2012 | 05:39 AM
#853
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Teknorc...
I haven't read this whole thread, but has there been any discussion about what a dual pack offers for battery type options, e.g. 2s, 3s, etc. This is one of the main reasons why I chose the Serpent; it had the best quality and performance and a 'style' that I liked .. for the best cost: I could use same batteries for 1/10 if I wanted.
Honestly, this is a bad idea as are dual pack setups in general. What happens if you forget to charge one pack? The LVC isn't going to protect that one battery. In all honesty, if you have already spent 700 to $800 on the car, motor and ESC why wouldn't you just spend a mere $80 on a battery?
having the dual pack means that I can share 2s and 3s lipos with other cars AND it also gives me a more versatile combination to work with, 2x3s, still gives me 6s when wired in parallel. This is an attractive feature for guys ( and girls ) who race several classes in 1/10 scale, that they "really" want to try the "big track" that the 1/8 scale cars run on.
2 x 3S packs in parallel is still 3s. Again, sharing batteries with other cars is a mistake. If you must use 2x2S they should be dedicated batteries so that they age together.
Some people think they break allot, but with the 'right' car, they are very durable... and when, with a 2 pack layout, u can use some of your better 1/10 scale packs, or since 2s lipos are typically cheaper batteries anyway ( heck, I paid $40 from HobbyKing for my Turnigy 2s 5800 65c pack ), it makes stepping INTO the 1/8 scale market much easier to justify the extra $ in getting new/more batteries.
So you can get a nice CRC 4S hardcase pack for $80 and you don't even have to order from China! When you do the math, even on Hobby King packs, the lowest cost packs are the ones with the most cells which makes sense. Each case, shrink wrap, wires and set of connetors cost money. If you have 4S worth with 1 connector, 1 case, and 1 length of wire it should cost less than having double of everything. Buying 2S used to be cheaper because they were more common than 4S packs. I wouldn't say that is the case now.
This is the main reason I would like to see Tekno make a dual pack layout... to make the class more "affordable" to get into, thus increasing the class numbers and more recognition, which it desperately needs if e-Truggy will ever even become a class... where 2 pack layout makes even more economical sense, put 'performance', 'balance', 'numbers'.. aside.
Again as I said above, this is not true. 1/8th is not an affordable class to begin with and the dual pack setups are not any cheaper. On top of that, the EB48 and the Serpent are not what I would call intro buggies. They are the best of the class. If you want cheap, go buy a duratrax or a Ofna Nexx8 and use you dual 2s packs. There is nothing saying that you can't use 2x2S in the EB48, but it is much cleaner if you use a single 4S.
a single pack layout means I can only have 1 pack to get me the juice I need. 1 4s, or 1 6s.. and this also means that I must have more batteries for all my cars.. kinda expensive!!! I'm not sure about too many options for 1 5s, but maybe there are and I just haven't seen them.
Were you racing in the NiMH days? $80 bought me a single matched pack that was no longer race worthy after 10 runs. If I was racing mod, the pack was a practice pack after 4 or 5 runs and the total life span was maybe 50 runs at best. Nowdays, $80 buys me a fairly nice 4S pack that will be race quality for 30 or 40 runs and will have a total lifespan of 200 to 300 runs. I really can't consider an investment of $80 to be expensive when it is powering a $1000 car. It is kind of like a radio. You can't go and race 3 classes with only 1 receiver and 1 servo. At the bare minimum you need 3 receivers and 3 servos with 1 transmitter. The receiver and the servo alone with cost more than a single 4S battery.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but has there been any discussion about what a dual pack offers for battery type options, e.g. 2s, 3s, etc. This is one of the main reasons why I chose the Serpent; it had the best quality and performance and a 'style' that I liked
.. for the best cost: I could use same batteries for 1/10 if I wanted.Honestly, this is a bad idea as are dual pack setups in general. What happens if you forget to charge one pack? The LVC isn't going to protect that one battery. In all honesty, if you have already spent 700 to $800 on the car, motor and ESC why wouldn't you just spend a mere $80 on a battery?
having the dual pack means that I can share 2s and 3s lipos with other cars AND it also gives me a more versatile combination to work with, 2x3s, still gives me 6s when wired in parallel. This is an attractive feature for guys ( and girls ) who race several classes in 1/10 scale, that they "really" want to try the "big track" that the 1/8 scale cars run on.
2 x 3S packs in parallel is still 3s. Again, sharing batteries with other cars is a mistake. If you must use 2x2S they should be dedicated batteries so that they age together.
Some people think they break allot, but with the 'right' car, they are very durable... and when, with a 2 pack layout, u can use some of your better 1/10 scale packs, or since 2s lipos are typically cheaper batteries anyway ( heck, I paid $40 from HobbyKing for my Turnigy 2s 5800 65c pack ), it makes stepping INTO the 1/8 scale market much easier to justify the extra $ in getting new/more batteries.
So you can get a nice CRC 4S hardcase pack for $80 and you don't even have to order from China! When you do the math, even on Hobby King packs, the lowest cost packs are the ones with the most cells which makes sense. Each case, shrink wrap, wires and set of connetors cost money. If you have 4S worth with 1 connector, 1 case, and 1 length of wire it should cost less than having double of everything. Buying 2S used to be cheaper because they were more common than 4S packs. I wouldn't say that is the case now.
This is the main reason I would like to see Tekno make a dual pack layout... to make the class more "affordable" to get into, thus increasing the class numbers and more recognition, which it desperately needs if e-Truggy will ever even become a class... where 2 pack layout makes even more economical sense, put 'performance', 'balance', 'numbers'.. aside.
Again as I said above, this is not true. 1/8th is not an affordable class to begin with and the dual pack setups are not any cheaper. On top of that, the EB48 and the Serpent are not what I would call intro buggies. They are the best of the class. If you want cheap, go buy a duratrax or a Ofna Nexx8 and use you dual 2s packs. There is nothing saying that you can't use 2x2S in the EB48, but it is much cleaner if you use a single 4S.
a single pack layout means I can only have 1 pack to get me the juice I need. 1 4s, or 1 6s.. and this also means that I must have more batteries for all my cars.. kinda expensive!!! I'm not sure about too many options for 1 5s, but maybe there are and I just haven't seen them.
Were you racing in the NiMH days? $80 bought me a single matched pack that was no longer race worthy after 10 runs. If I was racing mod, the pack was a practice pack after 4 or 5 runs and the total life span was maybe 50 runs at best. Nowdays, $80 buys me a fairly nice 4S pack that will be race quality for 30 or 40 runs and will have a total lifespan of 200 to 300 runs. I really can't consider an investment of $80 to be expensive when it is powering a $1000 car. It is kind of like a radio. You can't go and race 3 classes with only 1 receiver and 1 servo. At the bare minimum you need 3 receivers and 3 servos with 1 transmitter. The receiver and the servo alone with cost more than a single 4S battery.
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07-14-2012 | 07:17 AM
#854
We weren't targeting specific vehicles for this article. However when we were designing the car originally, we researched and designed a couple dual pack layouts and couldn't get the balance where we wanted it without moving components out of 'ideal' locations. By ideal, we wanted everything as close to center and as far forward as possible. This is how we achieved the 125mm overall width which we weren't able to do with the dual pack layouts we were playing with.
One page back on this thread there is a comparison to the Serpent 811Be. Neither is scientific or 100% exact, but the two reports tell the story of how the weight is distributed. I'm sure Durango, S-Workz, Caster, Ofna Nexx 8 (Hong Nor) and other owners could do the same with their dual pack vehicles to see how they compare to ours.
Another reason we didn't do a 'head to head' specific comparison is simply because we aren't in the business of bad-mouthing other companies. We put our opinion out there just like every other company does and we're hoping the public takes note. Other companies work hard on their products just like we have and it doesn't do any good to say they aren't good. They are good. We just think our buggy is a little better.
We welcomed the feedback from the Serpent guys and I think it was a good discussion.
One page back on this thread there is a comparison to the Serpent 811Be. Neither is scientific or 100% exact, but the two reports tell the story of how the weight is distributed. I'm sure Durango, S-Workz, Caster, Ofna Nexx 8 (Hong Nor) and other owners could do the same with their dual pack vehicles to see how they compare to ours.
Another reason we didn't do a 'head to head' specific comparison is simply because we aren't in the business of bad-mouthing other companies
. We put our opinion out there just like every other company does and we're hoping the public takes note. Other companies work hard on their products just like we have and it doesn't do any good to say they aren't good. They are good. We just think our buggy is a little better.We welcomed the feedback from the Serpent guys and I think it was a good discussion.
I know we have done our own scale test and I would just say the numbers in the article don't reflect our findings. The Caster for example has great balance due to the fact that all the electronics are tucked in close as possible to centerline of the buggy. Is it perfect....no
It's mentioned that with the "EB48 it is possible to balance perfectly with right choice in motor and battery". That maybe true, but what if our motor and battery choice doesn't add up correctly? Do we change systems/lipos for sake of being perfect? The 6.25-8.4oz mentioned is not what we find doing our test.
Like you said though, it's not a "head to head" battle for obvious reasons and I agree with you on that. My only point to this post is not every "dual pack" car is created equal. There are better balanced dual pack cars just like there are better balanced single pack cars.
The EB48 looks to be a great single pack buggy. You guys do put out some great products.
They are all capable of winning and all deserve a look.....
