1/12 forum
Great call on the body. If you're running a Protoform AMR or Parma EE1, switching to a Black Art/CRC R8C or Parma Speed 8 will give you more rotation and help "square the car up" on exit.
As for tires, I would DEFINITELY go to a Yellow rear. If the Yellow rear offers a bit too much rotation go to a Grey-low in CRC speak, or an orange if running Jaco/Parma tires. The harder outer band on the Gray-low/oranges will actually give you slightly more side bite than a yellow.
I would also switch from a gold spring to a red if using CRC springs. The stiffer spring will allow you to run less front dope, which will settle the car down, but the spring will keep more weight on the front tires which will aid greatly in helping the car steer when powering out of a corner.
As for tires, I would DEFINITELY go to a Yellow rear. If the Yellow rear offers a bit too much rotation go to a Grey-low in CRC speak, or an orange if running Jaco/Parma tires. The harder outer band on the Gray-low/oranges will actually give you slightly more side bite than a yellow.
I would also switch from a gold spring to a red if using CRC springs. The stiffer spring will allow you to run less front dope, which will settle the car down, but the spring will keep more weight on the front tires which will aid greatly in helping the car steer when powering out of a corner.
i think you meant the speed8 EXP (not the HD), and by the way the speed8exp is usually on lower end of the price range.
What's up with the all black wires?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?
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What's up with the all black wires?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?Tech Master
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What's up with the all black wires?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?That is the most foolproof way of doing it, IMO.
My leads will only reach their appropriate terminals on the battery. For motor wires I strip a small bit of insulation off of some red, white, and blue 13ga. wire, and slip it over the of the end of the motor wires to designate a, b, and c.
I think I saw Jeff Cuffs do the motor wire trick, and thought it looked cool.
I think I saw Jeff Cuffs do the motor wire trick, and thought it looked cool.
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What's up with the all black wires?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?
I've seen several pics posted of people's 1/12 car where the wires are all black. You guys that confident about your wiring that you won't get the wires mixed up? Really I can see the motor wires being all black because you only wire it once in a while or hardly at all. However all black battery wires?
Isn't that playing with fire?I've never understood colored motor wires. Middle wire goes in B, always, so figuring out A and C is pretty easy since most ESC's are marked on the case, and it's not like we run our wires so long that you cannot see which wire goes to which terminal.
I wish all accessories (esc's, servo's, etc.) just came with black harnesses as well. So much cleaner.
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I just converted my AE 12R5.2 over to damper tubes...
Everything went smoothly enough and the Speed Merchant parts looks to be very nice quality. My only complaint would be the amount of material(or lack thereof) left around the screw holes on the pod upper plate. But as long as I am careful and dont torque the screws to death, I think everything will be fine. Overall, I am excited to try out the car with the tubes.
I have a few questions for you guys who have been using 12ths with damper tubes for a while:
1) How often do you clean/re-lube the tubes? Obviously this depends on how clean the surface/facility is... but say it is a typical club-type carpet track. Are we talking about cleaning/re-lubing once a week? Or in between every round? Etc...
2) For a typical club-race/medium bite carpet track, what are the common lubes used for a 17.5 12th? I have heard suggestions of 10k, 15k, and the Speed Merchant "Green" Spooge.
3) Are damper tubes a consumable item? Do they "wear" out or develop play after time? And are they a commonly broken item in side impacts? Basically... should I keep spares in my pit box?
Thanks fellas
Everything went smoothly enough and the Speed Merchant parts looks to be very nice quality. My only complaint would be the amount of material(or lack thereof) left around the screw holes on the pod upper plate. But as long as I am careful and dont torque the screws to death, I think everything will be fine. Overall, I am excited to try out the car with the tubes.
I have a few questions for you guys who have been using 12ths with damper tubes for a while:
1) How often do you clean/re-lube the tubes? Obviously this depends on how clean the surface/facility is... but say it is a typical club-type carpet track. Are we talking about cleaning/re-lubing once a week? Or in between every round? Etc...
2) For a typical club-race/medium bite carpet track, what are the common lubes used for a 17.5 12th? I have heard suggestions of 10k, 15k, and the Speed Merchant "Green" Spooge.
3) Are damper tubes a consumable item? Do they "wear" out or develop play after time? And are they a commonly broken item in side impacts? Basically... should I keep spares in my pit box?
Thanks fellas
I just converted my AE 12R5.2 over to damper tubes...
Everything went smoothly enough and the Speed Merchant parts looks to be very nice quality. My only complaint would be the amount of material(or lack thereof) left around the screw holes on the pod upper plate. But as long as I am careful and dont torque the screws to death, I think everything will be fine. Overall, I am excited to try out the car with the tubes.
I have a few questions for you guys who have been using 12ths with damper tubes for a while:
1) How often do you clean/re-lube the tubes? Obviously this depends on how clean the surface/facility is... but say it is a typical club-type carpet track. Are we talking about cleaning/re-lubing once a week? Or in between every round? Etc...
2) For a typical club-race/medium bite carpet track, what are the common lubes used for a 17.5 12th? I have heard suggestions of 10k, 15k, and the Speed Merchant "Green" Spooge.
3) Are damper tubes a consumable item? Do they "wear" out or develop play after time? And are they a commonly broken item in side impacts? Basically... should I keep spares in my pit box?
Thanks fellas
Everything went smoothly enough and the Speed Merchant parts looks to be very nice quality. My only complaint would be the amount of material(or lack thereof) left around the screw holes on the pod upper plate. But as long as I am careful and dont torque the screws to death, I think everything will be fine. Overall, I am excited to try out the car with the tubes.
I have a few questions for you guys who have been using 12ths with damper tubes for a while:
1) How often do you clean/re-lube the tubes? Obviously this depends on how clean the surface/facility is... but say it is a typical club-type carpet track. Are we talking about cleaning/re-lubing once a week? Or in between every round? Etc...
2) For a typical club-race/medium bite carpet track, what are the common lubes used for a 17.5 12th? I have heard suggestions of 10k, 15k, and the Speed Merchant "Green" Spooge.
3) Are damper tubes a consumable item? Do they "wear" out or develop play after time? And are they a commonly broken item in side impacts? Basically... should I keep spares in my pit box?
Thanks fellas

2. I have 5k, 10k, 20k, and 30k in my box. I rarely use the 5k, mostly use the 10k on front kingpins, the 20k and 30k end up in the tubes. It all depends on the level of traction, and which class of motor (17.5 or 13.5) I'm running.
3. Damper tubes are pretty tough. The tubes on my Xi, were previously used on my XL, and my X before that, so my "normal use" tubes have been in service for at least 5 years. I have spares, but I've never had to install them.
1. For club racing, I usually rebuild every other raceday.
2. I have 5k, 10k, 20k, and 30k in my box. I rarely use the 5k, mostly use the 10k on front kingpins, the 20k and 30k end up in the tubes. It all depends on the level of traction, and which class of motor (17.5 or 13.5) I'm running.
3. Damper tubes are pretty tough. The tubes on my Xi, were previously used on my XL, and my X before that, so my "normal use" tubes have been in service for at least 5 years. I have spares, but I've never had to install them.
2. I have 5k, 10k, 20k, and 30k in my box. I rarely use the 5k, mostly use the 10k on front kingpins, the 20k and 30k end up in the tubes. It all depends on the level of traction, and which class of motor (17.5 or 13.5) I'm running.
3. Damper tubes are pretty tough. The tubes on my Xi, were previously used on my XL, and my X before that, so my "normal use" tubes have been in service for at least 5 years. I have spares, but I've never had to install them.
17.5 blinky here.
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1. For club racing, I usually rebuild every other raceday.
2. I have 5k, 10k, 20k, and 30k in my box. I rarely use the 5k, mostly use the 10k on front kingpins, the 20k and 30k end up in the tubes. It all depends on the level of traction, and which class of motor (17.5 or 13.5) I'm running.
3. Damper tubes are pretty tough. The tubes on my Xi, were previously used on my XL, and my X before that, so my "normal use" tubes have been in service for at least 5 years. I have spares, but I've never had to install them.
2. I have 5k, 10k, 20k, and 30k in my box. I rarely use the 5k, mostly use the 10k on front kingpins, the 20k and 30k end up in the tubes. It all depends on the level of traction, and which class of motor (17.5 or 13.5) I'm running.
3. Damper tubes are pretty tough. The tubes on my Xi, were previously used on my XL, and my X before that, so my "normal use" tubes have been in service for at least 5 years. I have spares, but I've never had to install them.



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