Originally posted by gonsped
People - I was referring to current engine manufacturers - NOT you and me or Joe Bloe in the corner. Who the HELL thinks I want to do this???
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ASIAN MANUFACTURERS TO START PRODUCING JP LEVEL POWER MOTORS FOR $200-300.
Thats all I am trying to put in this thread. I don't force feed anyone anything.
i.e. O.S. have the knowledge and the equipment to change the market - they just don't want or feel its necesary for them to.
Force makes engines, albeit shoddy and a POS - they do have experience in making engines. They know how to cast a part, make a clay mould, etc. etc.
Dollarwise its definitely possible. Judge the O.S. model I mentioned in the previous post for yourself.
Besides new exotic materials - what is the difference between a V01B and a JP Black P5 - other than design?
You are telling me, if I give Honda a copy of the Ford Cosworth Indy engine blueprint and material specifications - they cannot make an identical working copy with the same characteristics in their workshop?
What does copying means? No/very limited R&D. How long would China had the A-Bomb if someone did not smuggle critical weapons information from the USA?
I don't ask for full fledge 100% copy and rebadge. Anything that does not violate copyright infringement will surely can be very similar to a JP/Nova.
Nitrodude - I think its you are the one with the thick head.
Let me ask you something....Have you ever worked in a Manufacturing plant? Let me ask you one more thing... Have you ever worked in a Top Notch Manufacturing plant? Top Level Production comes from Top level employees who have a sence of pride in the work they do. Anyone can copy a design and produce a Great prototype to an exsisting design but all it takes is one flaw one disgrutled or untrained person to blow an entire production run. Building a state of the art Motor is easier for one well trained person to do then to make a production line work.Mass Building meeting a production speed record doesn't win races. You have to hire well trained people who require more money and more time to make sure every single part produced is exactly to specs which takes more expensive material and tools to complete the job.I don't Buy the Most expensive anything and try not to buy the least expensive either but I do Shop around and have been bitten more then once on a less expensive as well as a more expensive unproven item. I Have an STS D3 and i think it is fast and I know they have copied a design and i know that they are cheaper in comparison to the motor they copied. Is it as good a motor? I would have to spend the money and see if the motor they copied failed too. Would The other motor mfg. respond to that failure as well as STS? I Highly doubt it, Same as Ford Cosworth. You Blow one of their motors its racing, you blow a knockoff.....Probably racing too but it might have been due to a production problem.
In Saying all of this i'm not putting anyone down.
I think .21 motors are very expensive but alot is demanded of them as well. In Making Parts that require small tooling costs go up as everything has to be exact and tools wear very quickly in exact applications.When tools are made cheaper it is because labor and or materials are cheaper.Why are they cheaper? Lesser trained people or cheaper materials..... If you want a Top Notch Motor That performs Top Notch from the start to the end but don't want to pay Dollars outta the pocket Learn all there is to know about them and build it yourself
and you will know the high cost of tooling.Advanced Motors come from Advanced thinking not advanced copy machines. The simple fact is that no matter where it is built the more advanced the more it costs.
