GP 3700's what is ROAR's take?
12-28-2004, 10:19 AM
#16
I was just asking, I doubt they are legal however just as a suggestion it might be good for ROAR to take an intitative and buy a new battery when made available to the public and test the battery, if nothing else for the safety of racers in case there is a problem or something, then if it fails or is Illegal for whatever reason ROAR can make it public via this message board or website, so that when racers go to look for batteries....IE rcmushroom and see a racing cell for $4.10 a cell they can check out roars website and it will say "NOT LEGAL"
12-28-2004, 01:26 PM
#17
Tech Initiate
Or else - if you go to the ROAR website and to the Approved Batteries page and the battery you are looking at is not on the list, then it's not legal. Simple as that.
12-28-2004, 02:07 PM
#18
Good point. I think competition with batteries will futher help bring cost down. So my suggestion to Roar would be buy a Cell and test it out. I think this concept would result in lower cost for the hobby which would help the hobby as well.
Just a friendly suggestion.
Just a friendly suggestion.
12-28-2004, 02:13 PM
#19
David - I guess I don't understand why ROAR would purchase cells to test out? We don't sell products.
We approve products for competitive racing based on specifications. The manufacturer submits a cell to the technical director who tests the specs and if it matches ROAR rules, is approved and is placed on the approval list for competitive ROAR sanctioned racing.
We approve products for competitive racing based on specifications. The manufacturer submits a cell to the technical director who tests the specs and if it matches ROAR rules, is approved and is placed on the approval list for competitive ROAR sanctioned racing.
12-28-2004, 02:14 PM
#20
but, I have forwarded your link to the technical director to get his thoughts on this and should we pursue manufacturers.
12-28-2004, 02:30 PM
#21
David, just send in a cell to ROAR, if it meets specs, then it would be approved for racing.
12-28-2004, 02:37 PM
#22
battery approval
There is a process for battery approval that goes through the technical director. The batteries must be submitted by the manufacturer or a representative of the manufacturer.
If the batteries fit ROAR specs they will be approved.
Rick
If the batteries fit ROAR specs they will be approved.
Rick
12-28-2004, 02:38 PM
#23
battery rules
8.3.1 Only sub-C size rechargeable batteries rated at 1.2 volts or less may be used for the motor power in electric vehicle racing.
8.3.2 Dimensions:
8.3.2.1 Diameter: Maximum 23mm, Minimum 21.5mm
8.3.2.2 Length: Maximum 43mm, Minimum 41.5mm
8.3.2.3 No further tolerances are allowed on these dimensions.
8.3.3 Batteries must receive ROAR approval to be legal for use in ROAR-sanctioned events.
8.3.4 The approval of new battery types, makes, or capacities must be published in Rev-Up or posted on the www.roarracing.com website. The Executive Committee has final approval over battery legality.
8.3.5 Only manufacturers, distributors or commercial-level assemblers may submit batteries for approval.
8.3.6 Battery approvals will only be processed once per year. All cells must be submitted to the ROAR Technical Director by September 1st to be considered for approval the following year’s sanctioned events. The final decisions on approvals will be made on or before October 1st, and communicated to the manufacturer/distributor or assembler.
8.3.7 Ni-Cad batteries must bear the RBRC recycling logo in order to be approved.
8.3.8 To be approved by ROAR, batteries must be available through hobby distributors and hobby dealers nationwide at a competitive retail price.
8.3.9 Batteries must be readily identifiable as to their origin. In the case of a secondary, or distributor label being available and applied by the original manufacturer at the factory, a Statement of Origin/ Manufacture must be provided to ROAR from the original manufacturer via the reseller for any individualized cell. This label must state the country of manufacture and have the voltage and capacity rating in milliAmp-hours (mAh) printed on it. All individualized cells must be presented to ROAR for approval.
8.3.10 Any indication that the original manufacturer-applied label has been changed or tampered with will make the battery illegal. If the cells have an identifying mark on the negative end, the mark must be visible after the battery has been soldered together.
8.3.11 If protested, it is up to the driver to prove the legality of his batteries. It is recommended that when cells are assembled into a pack that the cells be arranged so all pertinent information on the cells is clearly visible. If cells are glued together, a glue should be used that can be cut without damaging the cell's shrink-wrap.
8.3.12 Batteries may not be charged or changed during a standard length race. Batteries may be changed during an Endurance race.
8.3.13 Unless a lower number is specified in the class requirements, a maximum of six cells is permitted in any vehicle motor power pack used in ROAR-sanctioned competition.
8.3.14 Drivers are responsible for the proper disposal of batteries that are no longer useable. No batteries should be discarded in ordinary trash containers, and may not be abandoned at race sites. It is recommended that tracks promote safety and non-pollution by providing an approved disposal container for unusable batteries.
8.3.2 Dimensions:
8.3.2.1 Diameter: Maximum 23mm, Minimum 21.5mm
8.3.2.2 Length: Maximum 43mm, Minimum 41.5mm
8.3.2.3 No further tolerances are allowed on these dimensions.
8.3.3 Batteries must receive ROAR approval to be legal for use in ROAR-sanctioned events.
8.3.4 The approval of new battery types, makes, or capacities must be published in Rev-Up or posted on the www.roarracing.com website. The Executive Committee has final approval over battery legality.
8.3.5 Only manufacturers, distributors or commercial-level assemblers may submit batteries for approval.
8.3.6 Battery approvals will only be processed once per year. All cells must be submitted to the ROAR Technical Director by September 1st to be considered for approval the following year’s sanctioned events. The final decisions on approvals will be made on or before October 1st, and communicated to the manufacturer/distributor or assembler.
8.3.7 Ni-Cad batteries must bear the RBRC recycling logo in order to be approved.
8.3.8 To be approved by ROAR, batteries must be available through hobby distributors and hobby dealers nationwide at a competitive retail price.
8.3.9 Batteries must be readily identifiable as to their origin. In the case of a secondary, or distributor label being available and applied by the original manufacturer at the factory, a Statement of Origin/ Manufacture must be provided to ROAR from the original manufacturer via the reseller for any individualized cell. This label must state the country of manufacture and have the voltage and capacity rating in milliAmp-hours (mAh) printed on it. All individualized cells must be presented to ROAR for approval.
8.3.10 Any indication that the original manufacturer-applied label has been changed or tampered with will make the battery illegal. If the cells have an identifying mark on the negative end, the mark must be visible after the battery has been soldered together.
8.3.11 If protested, it is up to the driver to prove the legality of his batteries. It is recommended that when cells are assembled into a pack that the cells be arranged so all pertinent information on the cells is clearly visible. If cells are glued together, a glue should be used that can be cut without damaging the cell's shrink-wrap.
8.3.12 Batteries may not be charged or changed during a standard length race. Batteries may be changed during an Endurance race.
8.3.13 Unless a lower number is specified in the class requirements, a maximum of six cells is permitted in any vehicle motor power pack used in ROAR-sanctioned competition.
8.3.14 Drivers are responsible for the proper disposal of batteries that are no longer useable. No batteries should be discarded in ordinary trash containers, and may not be abandoned at race sites. It is recommended that tracks promote safety and non-pollution by providing an approved disposal container for unusable batteries.
12-29-2004, 10:03 AM
#26
Originally posted by Dawn Sanchez
David - thank you... but ROAR rules are pretty clear.
David - thank you... but ROAR rules are pretty clear.
You are acting so elitist... as if you are the ONLY sanctioning organization that matters.
Contrary to when your rules may have been developed, RC has grown alongside the internet into a GLOBAL market. As such many overseas manufacturers have no significant need to submit products to ROAR for approval. Yet it is possible that these products would be very beneficial to US racers. ROAR needs to quit resting on the laurels you have set in place (you can't deny it now) and start growing with the Hobby.
Due to your blatant disregard of a very polite members suggestion you are in essence saying that in the US we are just out of luck concerning products manufactured overseas.
And you wonder why ROAR has a bad rep.
I've tried to not flame ROAR as much lately but this is pathetic.
12-29-2004, 10:24 AM
#27
Reply
"you are in essence saying that in the US we are just out of luck concerning products manufactured overseas."
That is completely untrue. Many products produced all over the world are ROAR approved.
There already are GP cells that have been approved for ROAR racing. GP is very active in getting their products approved and I'm sure they will be sending in their latest batch of cells to get approved. We already worked long and hard with GP to make sure the GP3300's worked within our guidelines. GP is very onboard with the approval process.
You guys are getting very concerned about something that will take care of itself. It is up to the manufacturers and distributors to get cells approved not individual racers. It's a simple and fair process.
ROAR wants to approve new products for more racing choices. The calls you should be making to are to tne manufacturers, they have all the documentation we need to approve the products.
Rick
That is completely untrue. Many products produced all over the world are ROAR approved.
There already are GP cells that have been approved for ROAR racing. GP is very active in getting their products approved and I'm sure they will be sending in their latest batch of cells to get approved. We already worked long and hard with GP to make sure the GP3300's worked within our guidelines. GP is very onboard with the approval process.
You guys are getting very concerned about something that will take care of itself. It is up to the manufacturers and distributors to get cells approved not individual racers. It's a simple and fair process.
ROAR wants to approve new products for more racing choices. The calls you should be making to are to tne manufacturers, they have all the documentation we need to approve the products.
Rick
12-29-2004, 10:28 AM
#28
True, but even if you had the documention, they still will not be approved until after September 1, 2005. Correct?
12-29-2004, 10:34 AM
#29
I think what your people are asking you to do is be proactive in this market and be able to beat the consumers to new products and have them tested before we, the racers blow our money on something we won't be allowed to use. And the way Dawn's reply sounds like proactive is french ore something. It also sounds like it is really upsetting people w/ ROAR's Laizze Faire approach of if they want to (the manufacture's) send us their product to test OK, if not, oh well. ROAR's was organized to govern, promote and PROTECT the RC industry in the US right?
12-29-2004, 10:35 AM
#30
battery approvals
ROAR has had yearly battery approvals for the past two years. In the past we had so many battery approvals that a typical racer could not keep up with having to by all new battery packs every three months because a new cell ceme out and you had to have it to be competitive.
Any batteries submitted at this point will be approved for 2006 racing not 2005 per our rules.
There is great flexibility in level 1 and 2 races and no reason why they could not be used for those races. But for Regional, State, level 3 races and Nationals only batteries submitted by
September 2004 will be added to the approved list for 2005 racing.
Much of the approval process depends on availability of product again that is knowlege only the manufacuterer can provide. We are not testing products to tell racers to buy them not. The magazines do a fine job of reviews for products if you want to know if it is worth buying something and also anthore good way is to talk to friends and watch at the track. Buy what appeals to your needs and racing style.
Rick
Any batteries submitted at this point will be approved for 2006 racing not 2005 per our rules.
There is great flexibility in level 1 and 2 races and no reason why they could not be used for those races. But for Regional, State, level 3 races and Nationals only batteries submitted by
September 2004 will be added to the approved list for 2005 racing.
Much of the approval process depends on availability of product again that is knowlege only the manufacuterer can provide. We are not testing products to tell racers to buy them not. The magazines do a fine job of reviews for products if you want to know if it is worth buying something and also anthore good way is to talk to friends and watch at the track. Buy what appeals to your needs and racing style.
Rick