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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:12 PM
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Hoping someone may have gone through this to help me out. I am getting back into RC electric off road racing and have been doing some improvements to my dated T4. I recently purchased an SMC 6500 mah 60C lipo pack to give a little more pop to my truck. I have a somewhat dated ESC with a Novak GTB and Extreme Sport 13.5 turn motor. When I run the truck with the old Lipo (Team Orion Platinum 4800 mah, 25C) the truck accelerates and runs fine. With the new battery if I peg the throttle (somewhat quickly) the motor makes a funny sound and runs at about 10% of full speed. However, if I pull the throttle trigger back slowly the truck will accelerate to full speed without any problems. The new pack makes the truck 20% faster if I had to guess.

I tested the SMC battery on my B44 and it ran the car fine with no problems accelerating. I would think this is either a bad ESC or motor. Obviously it is probably time to get new but I am hoping to save some cash and just purchase one or the other. I have checked/double checked all wiring and I don't think it is a connection problem.

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Old 08-17-2015 | 06:28 PM
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Try wiring in a capacitor if not already present on the esc if this doesn't work then iam pretty sure its an Esc problem i had a somewhat similar problem with a Trakpower ms-1
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Old 08-17-2015 | 09:04 PM
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Unfortunately there is already one connected to the esc. I guess I don't understand why it works for one battery and not the other?
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Old 08-17-2015 | 10:19 PM
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Try a new sensor lead
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Are these both 2S Lipos?
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Old 08-18-2015 | 07:14 AM
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Yes, both 2s lipos. One has much higher current potential.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 08:19 AM
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I see... It sounds like the ESC is backing off with the sudden surge of current. My kit ESC does this when it starts to get pretty hot. For me, adding a fan over a new heatsink helped, perhaps in your case trying getting an updated ESC or retard timing on your motor.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 08:30 AM
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Unfortunately my set up is pretty old (from 2007) so the sensor cable is hard wired into the end of the motor.

The ESC has a fan on it and it does this anytime, whether hot or cold. I think I am going to try a new motor first and then if that doesn't work purchase a newer ESC. The motor is a Novak EX "Sport" model and maybe it doesn't like the amount of current being thrown at it...who knows?? I just know the same battery was hooked up to my B44 with the same model of ESC (Novak GTB) and it works just fine. I guess it is just money and we can't take it all with us when we go!
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Unfortunately there is already one connected to the esc. I guess I don't understand why it works for one battery and not the other?
What kind of battery connectors are you using? Bullets or deans type? Could be a loose connector in the battery itself.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 08:42 AM
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What kind of battery connectors are you using? Bullets or deans type? Could be a loose connector in the battery itself.
Using a Deans Connector. The same Deans works fine with the Platinum pack and also worked when running my B44....so I don't think it is that.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JWBeav
Unfortunately my set up is pretty old (from 2007) so the sensor cable is hard wired into the end of the motor.

The ESC has a fan on it and it does this anytime, whether hot or cold. I think I am going to try a new motor first and then if that doesn't work purchase a newer ESC. The motor is a Novak EX "Sport" model and maybe it doesn't like the amount of current being thrown at it...who knows?? I just know the same battery was hooked up to my B44 with the same model of ESC (Novak GTB) and it works just fine. I guess it is just money and we can't take it all with us when we go!
Yeah, in this case, try a new motor and see if it fixes the problem.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 09:41 AM
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Emailing with Charlie over at Novak and he said to try replacing the power capacitor so I have one ordered. Will report back after I get it installed...still thinking I am going to purchase a new motor regardless. Has anyone heard anything good/bad about the new Viper VST Black Edition motors? They seem to be priced very well.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Using a Deans Connector. The same Deans works fine with the Platinum pack and also worked when running my B44....so I don't think it is that.
I should've stated more clearly...could be a bad solder connection in the battery case itself.
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