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Originally Posted by Jade67
(Post 13708786)
You're right, I just checked my SC10 again and I am running 26/72 on it currently. I still think that dropping down to a 30/72 is going to kill top end. I will try it and see. Worst case scenario I will change it back or adjust it anyway.
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So this is my first venture into 2wd and stock class racing, all my previous experience has been 4wd. Stared with 4x4 SC, then 1/8 buggy and 1/10 4x4 buggy.
I wanted to try some 2wd racing so last night I bought a used B5 rm and the D4 17.5 maxzilla. I've read thru this thread at least twice haha, it seems not too many are running this in rear motor. I'm looking at getting a 69 & 72 spurs and 31-34t pinions. and start at ~40-50* can timing. Am I on the right track? Any help is greatly appreciated! Here's a vid of our track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfrtm9RWfM |
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Originally Posted by jmcelroy42
(Post 13709187)
So this is my first venture into 2wd and stock class racing, all my previous experience has been 4wd. Stared with 4x4 SC, then 1/8 buggy and 1/10 4x4 buggy.
I wanted to try some 2wd racing so last night I bought a used B5 rm and the D4 17.5 maxzilla. I've read thru this thread at least twice haha, it seems not too many are running this in rear motor. I'm looking at getting a 69 & 72 spurs and 31-34t pinions. and start at ~40-50* can timing. Am I on the right track? Any help is greatly appreciated! Here's a vid of our track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drfrtm9RWfM This sheet was from this past weekend on a track just a little bigger then the one in your video. I was geared 27/72 with 59 degrees timing running my MM Serpent Spyder. |
Originally Posted by elex300
(Post 13709250)
For that track I would start at 28/72 with 55 degrees timing. See how your temps are after 3 min of running. The tallest gear I would use on a track that size is 29/72. Anything higher and your gonna sacrifice bottom end and probably get hot. Same thing goes for a 69 spur. You dont need to gear for that kind of top end because you wont use it. Instead your motor will get hot because you are taking away the bottom end power.
This sheet was from this past weekend on a track just a little bigger then the one in your video. I was geared 27/72 with 59 degrees timing running my MM Serpent Spyder. |
Originally Posted by elex300
(Post 13709250)
For that track I would start at 28/72 with 55 degrees timing. See how your temps are after 3 min of running. The tallest gear I would use on a track that size is 29/72. Anything higher and your gonna sacrifice bottom end and probably get hot. Same thing goes for a 69 spur. You dont need to gear for that kind of top end because you wont use it. Instead your motor will get hot because you are taking away the bottom end power.
This sheet was from this past weekend on a track just a little bigger then the one in your video. I was geared 27/72 with 59 degrees timing running my MM Serpent Spyder.
Originally Posted by jmcelroy42
(Post 13709283)
Glad i asked before ordering then haha. I saw you recommend 34/69 to someone else with a rear motor but that must have been for a larger track i suppose. Thanks again!
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Originally Posted by Kave
(Post 13709360)
I have to totally disagree with Elex, not to say he is wrong but my experience has been very different. The highest you would gear a D4 is 29/72? I have NEVER seen someone run one that low, literally ever. You are going to want to have up to either 34 or 35 Jmc.
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Originally Posted by jmcelroy42
(Post 13709283)
Glad i asked before ordering then haha. I saw you recommend 34/69 to someone else with a rear motor but that must have been for a larger track i suppose. Thanks again!
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So should i go with the 69 or 72 for RM? What pinion range should i get? Now I'm thinking 27-30?
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Originally Posted by jmcelroy42
(Post 13709595)
So should i go with the 69 or 72 for RM? What pinion range should i get? Now I'm thinking 27-30?
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Originally Posted by elex300
(Post 13709627)
For a rear motor 30-32/69 with 55 degrees timing. See how the temps are at 30 and if you want to go up 1 or 2 teeth then do so.
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In my mm RB6 I ran 34/69 with 50* timing. After the 10 minute main (finished 2nd by the way) my motor temped around 120ish. Didn't even break a sweat. For 8 minutes though I followed my buddy's b5m with Protek's new slingshot motor. My car was clearly faster but he was driving perfectly to close off any lines. When he finally made a mistake, I was gone.... After the race, his motor was well over 200 degrees and definitely faded at the end. Going to bump up the timing on the D4 and go after the leader! (Who also runs the D4.)
Very happy with the motor and glad I upgraded from the Killshot. |
So assuming that you have the gearing low enough how much can timing could you run? The can only shows 60°, is all that it can you run or can you run more than that?
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Originally Posted by Jade67
(Post 13711640)
So assuming that you have the gearing low enough how much can timing could you run? The can only shows 60°, is all that it can you run or can you run more than that?
That being said I have 1 motor that had to be turned up a touch past 60 to match the amp draw of one that was at 57. This is why I cant stress enough to people that you cant rely on the markings. You need either a inline meter or a motor tester. They are much more accurate for setting up motors. |
Originally Posted by elex300
(Post 13711986)
I would'nt go much past 60. There comes a point where you are no longer gaining speed but just increasing amp draw making the motor inefficient.
That being said I have 1 motor that had to be turned up a touch past 60 to match the amp draw of one that was at 57. This is why I cant stress enough to people that you cant rely on the markings. You need either a inline meter or a motor tester. They are much more accurate for setting up motors. Is an amp clamp sufficient or do you really need to set it by an inline ...and if using an amp clamp should you still leave drove train connected just take off tires or should I remove pinion to get a more accurate reading with the clamp style checker? |
Originally Posted by racer888
(Post 13712674)
Is an amp clamp sufficient or do you really need to set it by an inline ...and if using an amp clamp should you still leave drove train connected just take off tires or should I remove pinion to get a more accurate reading with the clamp style checker?
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