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jrowles91 12-25-2013 01:55 PM

Help with ESC soldering please!
 
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First off I'm not entirely new to soldering however I'm definitely no pro.

My issue is, I bought a Hobbywing XeRun 150a used and the battery leads are not long enough for me. I snipped the wires and removed my battery connector. I can't get the battery post hot enough to desolder the wire. I feel like the heat is just getting sacked though the heat sink.

I just got for xmas a Hakko FX-888D. I had it set up to 850 degrees. Still nothing. I can't post I video if that will help but for now here's a picture of what I see.

whitrzac 12-25-2013 02:06 PM

Did you tin the tip of the iron?

jrowles91 12-25-2013 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by whitrzac (Post 12842877)
Did you tin the tip of the iron?

If that's just placing clean solder on the tip then yes.

nitrousdave 12-25-2013 02:14 PM

Post a pic of the tip you are using, a large wide tip to transfer more heat works best.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nitrousdave (Post 12842898)
Post a pic of the tip you are using, a large wide tip to transfer more heat works best.

This is the only tip I have at the moment. Upon closer look it doesn't look like the solder will even stick to the iron tip either making it difficult to tin...

jrowles91 12-25-2013 02:32 PM

Here is a quick video. Maybe it's my technique? I know the solder was heavy in this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Qp...e_gdata_player

ThePanda 12-25-2013 02:59 PM

it looks like your tip oxidized, you will need to get a tip cleaner, or maybe you might be able to polish it off.

try clipping down the wire really short, so less heat gets absorbed and dissipated in the wire.

ThePanda 12-25-2013 02:59 PM

i got that same iron for christmas as well!

jrowles91 12-25-2013 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 12842983)
it looks like your tip oxidized, you will need to get a tip cleaner, or maybe you might be able to polish it off.

try clipping down the wire really short, so less heat gets absorbed and dissipated in the wire.

Can I use a wire brush to clean it?

Harry Sachs 12-25-2013 03:45 PM

A bigger tip will be better. Also put some flux on the wire, it will transfer heat much faster.

AreCee 12-25-2013 05:30 PM

That is a very dirty and oxidized tip. No, a wire brush will only make it worse.

Get some tip cleaner/tinning from Radio Shack and use it every time you put the iron away. Didn't the 888 come with a cleaner (looks like a brillo pad made of brass)? Use it.

AreCee 12-25-2013 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by jrowles91 (Post 12842991)
Can I use a wire brush to clean it?

No, that will only worsen the tip.

The 888 comes with a tip cleaner, don't you use it? Looks like http://gokimco.com/brass-coil-insert.htmlis

Go to Radio Shack and get a tin of tip cleaner.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 05:37 PM

I was able to clean it with the sponge and copper mesh. Got it done. Apparently I allowed it to oxidize. Maybe I need to start from square one and learn to use it properly.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by AreCee (Post 12843297)
No, that will only worsen the tip.

The 888 comes with a tip cleaner, don't you use it? Looks like http://gokimco.com/brass-coil-insert.htmlis

Go to Radio Shack and get a tin of tip cleaner.

That picture was after the first time I used it to solder something together. I've never had a solder station like this and never had an issue with my cheapo iron.

AreCee 12-25-2013 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by jrowles91 (Post 12843314)
That picture was after the first time I used it to solder something together. I've never had a solder station like this and never had an issue with my cheapo iron.

Which is why you are supposed to clean and tin the tip every time you use it and while you are using it.

I have a ten year old Hakko 936 with the original tip and it still works like new and is a shiny as new.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by AreCee (Post 12843320)
Which is why you are supposed to clean and tin the tip every time you use it and while you are using it.

This is how I finally got it to work for me. Learning lesson for me here. Any other tips to help?

While using it do I sponge then brass mesh it everytime? And how often?

jrowles91 12-25-2013 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by AreCee (Post 12843320)
Which is why you are supposed to clean and tin the tip every time you use it and while you are using it.

I have a ten year old Hakko 936 with the original tip and it still works like new and is a shiny as new.

This is how I finally got it to work for me. Learning lesson for me here. Any other tips to help?

While using it do I sponge then brass mesh it everytime? And how often?

AreCee 12-25-2013 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by jrowles91 (Post 12843348)
This is how I finally got it to work for me. Learning lesson for me here. Any other tips to help?

While using it do I sponge then brass mesh it everytime? And how often?

All the time. Keep it clean always.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by AreCee (Post 12843390)
All the time. Keep it clean always.

Does it need cleaning then tinning everytime?

Ronisonce 12-25-2013 06:56 PM

You want the tip silver at all times. Never want it to be black/discolored.

jrowles91 12-25-2013 06:58 PM

Alright guys thank you for the help. I think I'll get a larger tip also and try again.

ThePanda 12-25-2013 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by jrowles91 (Post 12843556)
Alright guys thank you for the help. I think I'll get a larger tip also and try again.

Yes, the tip that it comes with is kinda small. Something larger will help with getting the wire hotter faster.

mattjk 12-25-2013 08:58 PM

You don't need a larger tip. Set your iron to max, wait 5 mins. Now place the tip on wire at a 90 degree angle, then slowly start adding new solder at the tip until it starts to melt and flow. Once it starts flowing, you should be able to pull off the wire.

You'll want to pull the wire off with a pair of pliers or tweezers as it will be super hot.

P.S. Also, make sure the nut at the base of the handle is tight...

ThePanda 12-25-2013 11:17 PM

5 mins? Mine can reach full temperature (the actual tip) in under a minute.

5 min at full temp is likely going to oxidize the tip of the iron.

1mrdad 12-25-2013 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by ThePanda (Post 12843969)
5 mins? Mine can reach full temperature (the actual tip) in under a minute.

5 min at full temp is likely going to oxidize the tip of the iron.

+1. I have the same soldering station. I never set it above 650* Absolutely do not use it at max temp. You'll oxidize the tip and likely ruin whatever you're trying to solder. Read this post at the top of this thread How to solder correctly (a not so brief lesson) Plus tips and more... Updated 3/24/12
. It is an excellent article on how to solder correctly. I have been soldering for literally 50 years and learned things from this post. A couple of quick highlights, use rosin flux, the proper size clean chisel tip ( I suggest either the t18-d16 or t18 d24), and the 6 second rule. I can't suggest enough to read the post.

mattjk 12-25-2013 11:50 PM

Whatever. 1 minute then. You need to let new solder flow.

I have a similar hakko iron I've been using to make audio circuit boards for the past 12 years. Always set full with the same tip. Works fine.

I am an electrical engineer.

mattjk 12-25-2013 11:56 PM

Btw I leave my iron on 5 hours a day non stop when I'm working.

ThePanda 12-26-2013 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by mattjk (Post 12844006)
Btw I leave my iron on 5 hours a day non stop when I'm working.

That is crazy long.


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