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Old 12-05-2013 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stascom
Also, do 1:1 cars have some form of kinetic energy storage, like a flywheel, for regen braking?
Yes they do, modern hybrid cars use the electric motor to charge the batteries during coasting and they call it regenerative braking as far as storage, hybrid cars have a very large or multiple battery cells to store the extra charge for when the gas engine shuts off to power the radio and all the misc electronics in the vehicle as well as power the electric motor to assist the gas engine for more powerful acceleration.

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Old 12-05-2013 | 05:28 PM
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Mazda has a similar system in their new cars....
Ah yes, in conventional cars, not electric I believe. Since they don't have the large battery pack available. Peugeot had a similar deal in production the year before I think.
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Old 12-05-2013 | 06:32 PM
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Ah yes, in conventional cars, not electric I believe. Since they don't have the large battery pack available. Peugeot had a similar deal in production the year before I think.
i love saying Peugeot. It is a fun word to say, just rolls off the tongue.
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Old 12-05-2013 | 06:36 PM
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All of the MOSFETs used in our brushless speed controls have intrinsic diodes ("substrate diodes") as part of their construction. These diodes are actually in parallel with the MOSFETs, and are reverse-biased in normal operation. If the motor voltage should spike higher than the battery voltage (as usually happens during partial braking), then current will flow into the battery through these diodes. Every brushless ESC I know of operates this way, so it's not a special feature. In fact, it's usually required to prevent overvoltage damage to the MOSFETs.
I was expecting something simple like that. Thank you for the explanation.

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Chrysler experimented a fair bit with a flywheel storage system, and there has been other research. Also some have experimented with super capacitors. But as far as I know all current production electric/hybrid cars just recharge the battery. Going back at least to the GM EV-1/Impact from the mid '90s or so.

In the future I suspect we will see suspension energy converted to the batteries. Shock absorbers burn off a noticeable amount of energy.

There is some construction equipment, primarily excavators I think, that use hydraulic accumulators to store energy. Since they already have significant hydraulic and related control systems I've heard it works quite well.
I see. I figured having motors connected directly to the axles for regen braking may be a bit harsh on pedal response (too rough and jarring). I'm no electirical engineer
I must say, KERS in the Porsche 911 GT3 R is pretty slick. Would love to see something like that in performance trims of regular cars
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Old 12-05-2013 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stascom
I was expecting something simple like that. Thank you for the explanation.



I see. I figured having motors connected directly to the axles for regen braking may be a bit harsh on pedal response (too rough and jarring). I'm no electirical engineer
I must say, KERS in the Porsche 911 GT3 R is pretty slick. Would love to see something like that in performance trims of regular cars
Yes, good to see some of the Formula 1 tech trickling down. I like racing to be used as a test bed for new ideas. Something that perhaps was more common, until 'fairness' stopped a lot of it. Electronics can be used to help tune the feel.

One thing I want is movable aerodynamic devices. Lots of down force for braking, corners, and rain for safety sakes. Then DRS (low drag) for the straightaway for better fuel economy. There are a few examples, wonder if more can be done, affordably of course.
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Old 12-06-2013 | 06:18 AM
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One thing I want is movable aerodynamic devices. Lots of down force for braking, corners, and rain for safety sakes. Then DRS (low drag) for the straightaway for better fuel economy. There are a few examples, wonder if more can be done, affordably of course.
Just like a very pretty, all-white CanAm car from the 1960's!
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Old 12-06-2013 | 07:15 AM
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Just like a very pretty, all-white CanAm car from the 1960's!
Jim Hall for the win! Loved the Texas license plates.

CanAm and TransAm, a couple of my favorite series while they lasted.
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