Balancing Lipo Batteries?
#3
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The Why of balancing: To prevent a higher voltage cell being overcharged and going into thermal runaway, toxic corrosive very smelly smoke and intense fire. Not so good.
Some suggest balancing is not needed, perhaps so if one is very diligent about checking cell voltages. But lipo cells change with cycling and age, the risk is not realizing balancing is needed until it is too late.
Some suggest balance charging is slower than a regular charge, not true at least with good balance chargers.
It is almost always a mistake to balance a discharged pack. At best causes more balancing time when charging. At worst abuses cells since they don't like being discharged too far, why take them lower.
Some suggest balancing is not needed, perhaps so if one is very diligent about checking cell voltages. But lipo cells change with cycling and age, the risk is not realizing balancing is needed until it is too late.
Some suggest balance charging is slower than a regular charge, not true at least with good balance chargers.
It is almost always a mistake to balance a discharged pack. At best causes more balancing time when charging. At worst abuses cells since they don't like being discharged too far, why take them lower.
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Really no need to ever just balance a battery. It is a waste of time to balance before charging.
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The Why of balancing: To prevent a higher voltage cell being overcharged and going into thermal runaway, toxic corrosive very smelly smoke and intense fire. Not so good.
Some suggest balancing is not needed, perhaps so if one is very diligent about checking cell voltages. But lipo cells change with cycling and age, the risk is not realizing balancing is needed until it is too late.
Some suggest balance charging is slower than a regular charge, not true at least with good balance chargers.
It is almost always a mistake to balance a discharged pack. At best causes more balancing time when charging. At worst abuses cells since they don't like being discharged too far, why take them lower.
Some suggest balancing is not needed, perhaps so if one is very diligent about checking cell voltages. But lipo cells change with cycling and age, the risk is not realizing balancing is needed until it is too late.
Some suggest balance charging is slower than a regular charge, not true at least with good balance chargers.
It is almost always a mistake to balance a discharged pack. At best causes more balancing time when charging. At worst abuses cells since they don't like being discharged too far, why take them lower.
So last year I bought a pack for one of my cars I only used for practice - so it tended to get abused and misused, and run a lot compared to my race packs - and as an experiment I decided to never balance it and see what happened.
After a full year, and dozens and dozens of charges, I charged it up as I normally would at the track (no balance adapter) and then plugged it into my balance meter - and the cells read within 0.10 volts of each other.
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I remember when balancing became all the rage a few years ago, and having a battery manufacturer telling me it was overrated.
So last year I bought a pack for one of my cars I only used for practice - so it tended to get abused and misused, and run a lot compared to my race packs - and as an experiment I decided to never balance it and see what happened.
After a full year, and dozens and dozens of charges, I charged it up as I normally would at the track (no balance adapter) and then plugged it into my balance meter - and the cells read within 0.10 volts of each other.
So last year I bought a pack for one of my cars I only used for practice - so it tended to get abused and misused, and run a lot compared to my race packs - and as an experiment I decided to never balance it and see what happened.
After a full year, and dozens and dozens of charges, I charged it up as I normally would at the track (no balance adapter) and then plugged it into my balance meter - and the cells read within 0.10 volts of each other.

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Are you expecting us to look it up for you.
No offense dude, but you're posting all kinds of questions here the last few days and most of the info you should or could easily look up yourself.
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I've seen and smelled a few of those examples that didn't turn out so swell. Not sure if everyone understands how toxic and corrosive that smoke is, or how intense the fire can be.
Someone experienced and knowledgeable with lipos with a good quality new pack is one thing. As I think I alluded to immediately after the portion you underlined. I’m also aware lipo packs existed and were used well before balancers were even available.
I just don't think it is unreasonable to recommend to someone starting out with lipos, who doesn't even know what balancing is or likely how to check it, with packs of unknown quality or age (some guys buy used packs) to take what I view as a simple and hardly burdensome safety precaution. That's all.
Someone experienced and knowledgeable with lipos with a good quality new pack is one thing. As I think I alluded to immediately after the portion you underlined. I’m also aware lipo packs existed and were used well before balancers were even available.
I just don't think it is unreasonable to recommend to someone starting out with lipos, who doesn't even know what balancing is or likely how to check it, with packs of unknown quality or age (some guys buy used packs) to take what I view as a simple and hardly burdensome safety precaution. That's all.
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I've seen and smelled a few of those examples that didn't turn out so swell. Not sure if everyone understands how toxic and corrosive that smoke is, or how intense the fire can be.
Someone experienced and knowledgeable with lipos with a good quality new pack is one thing. As I think I alluded to immediately after the portion you underlined. I’m also aware lipo packs existed and were used well before balancers were even available.
I just don't think it is unreasonable to recommend to someone starting out with lipos, who doesn't even know what balancing is or likely how to check it, with packs of unknown quality or age (some guys buy used packs) to take what I view as a simple and hardly burdensome safety precaution. That's all.
Someone experienced and knowledgeable with lipos with a good quality new pack is one thing. As I think I alluded to immediately after the portion you underlined. I’m also aware lipo packs existed and were used well before balancers were even available.
I just don't think it is unreasonable to recommend to someone starting out with lipos, who doesn't even know what balancing is or likely how to check it, with packs of unknown quality or age (some guys buy used packs) to take what I view as a simple and hardly burdensome safety precaution. That's all.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating not balancing. But sometimes it seems like some people think balancing is the answer to everything, and it's not. That's all.
#12
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Wrong. I always balance charge, but for those that do both, know that strait charging is faster. balancing is done by draining high cells as needed during charging, and that takes time, period. Who told you that?
#13
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The case where significant balancing is required, seems to be the case where balance charging is most appropriate.
What time differences are you seeing, and with what charger?
Last edited by Dave H; 04-05-2013 at 06:05 AM. Reason: kant spel
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The chargers I have give a warning on screen and require an extra button push to charge in lipo mode without balancing. As far as I know most chargers are similar in that aspect
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I remember when balancing became all the rage a few years ago, and having a battery manufacturer telling me it was overrated.
So last year I bought a pack for one of my cars I only used for practice - so it tended to get abused and misused, and run a lot compared to my race packs - and as an experiment I decided to never balance it and see what happened.
After a full year, and dozens and dozens of charges, I charged it up as I normally would at the track (no balance adapter) and then plugged it into my balance meter - and the cells read within 0.10 volts of each other.
So last year I bought a pack for one of my cars I only used for practice - so it tended to get abused and misused, and run a lot compared to my race packs - and as an experiment I decided to never balance it and see what happened.
After a full year, and dozens and dozens of charges, I charged it up as I normally would at the track (no balance adapter) and then plugged it into my balance meter - and the cells read within 0.10 volts of each other.

If my packs showed the difference between 4.01 and 4.11, that's a HUGE problem. Mine always balance within .01 of each other. Always shows something like 4.17/4.18 or whatever voltage it is at that particular moment.
I've never seen a 2s+ lipo that has a .1 variance in voltages between cells.



