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Originally Posted by 10 Gauge
(Post 9259383)
Them there are some expensive servo's, mmmhmmmm. Damn they look nice though.
Still needing to upgrade the steering servo's on my LST but I think I am going to take ntrain's advice and stick with some less expensive 7955's or 7950's. |
It's $99 shipped from tower.
Savox ultra torque is 391 torque with 0.10 seconds. In regards of lab comparison, I can not comment as I do not work for any servo manufacture. Most of us folks can only rely on the data giving to us on websites. If these numbers aren't correct, I would hope there is some council that checks if these numbers are correct. But I doubt that! One thing I can say that I did notice about my HV savox servos. When I set my EPA for Steering with no load to max out steering, once I added load, I no longer had full steering. This is in Truggy. I had to adjust EPA during load. I'm not sure if I had this problem with other servos.
Originally Posted by ntrain42
(Post 9321763)
Savox servos IMO are junk. Few key things here:
A. Savox servos come nowhere near their "rated" performance specs(tested and proven locally with Hitec 6volt sport model servos outperforming Savox's 2 HV premium models). Under load Savox servos transit speed drops fast as well. Where Hitec servos are normally much closer to rated specs in real world applications as they are rated much more conservatively. B. Savox servos are massive powerhogs drawing 2-3 times the amount of current compared to a Hitec HV counterpart. C. The Savox warranty is pretty short/limited with a basic 1 year warranty compared to the 3 year no questions asked one provided by Hitec. I can pick up a Hitec Premium HV 7954 for about 80-85 bucks shipped from TowerHobbies. Find me a Savox servo that will have 400oz of torque with .12 transit time at 7.4volts please, LOL! Not gonna happen. If your gonna pay in the 80-120 range for a performance servo Hitec should be a first choice. |
Originally Posted by teeforb
(Post 9321849)
It's $99 shipped from tower.
Savox ultra torque is 391 torque with 0.10 seconds. In regards of lab comparison, I can not comment as I do not work for any servo manufacture. Most of us folks can only rely on the data giving to us on websites. If these numbers aren't correct, I would hope there is some council that checks if these numbers are correct. But I doubt that! One thing I can say that I did notice about my HV savox servos. When I set my EPA for Steering with no load to max out steering, once I added load, I no longer had full steering. This is in Truggy. I had to adjust EPA during load. I'm not sure if I had this problem with other servos. Hitec servos are programmable. Hitec servos have programmable EPA,deadband,failsafe,torque limit,resolution,self testing/diagnostic function etc. Do you get those features with Savox? :) ;) Not sure what the issue was you had, but underload the torque limit function could have been set to well less of 100%. No way of knowing though what the case was without a Hitec programmer on hand. Here at RCE we had testing done on the 1267 and 1268 servos and they were compared directly to a number of HV premium and sport Hitec servos. I went into detail on another thread concerning this, but in short, they have shown to be grossly overrated in their specs and draw considerably more power in the process and even some of the cheap Hitec "sport" servos outperformed them with "specs" that were half that of what Savox puts down on paper. Also, not sure what Savox model your reffering to, but I know of no Savox that has 391oz. of torque at .10 transit speed, not that those specs are anywhere near accurate though if they follow tradition, lol. Savox uses a nice looking case, decent gears and bearing, but the coreless motors they use suck plain and simple, which is basically the heart of the servo itself and the most expensive component. This is where Savox cut a major corner. |
Sorry, going off of memory which isn't a good thing. It was 361 and .11 @ 7.4v.
Originally Posted by ntrain42
(Post 9321894)
$99 is Towers "advertised" price. But tower for Saver members has free shipping and $99 dollar orders get 15-20 bucks off(depending on coupon code used), so shipped to my door is 80 bucks for a 7954. Buy 2 or more and then bulk quantity discount is applied as well on top of any coupon code for even cheaper "per servo" cost.
Hitec servos are programmable. Hitec servos have programmable EPA,deadband,failsafe,torque limit,resolution,self testing/diagnostic function etc. Do you get those features with Savox? :) ;) Not sure what the issue was you had, but underload the torque limit function could have been set to well less of 100%. No way of knowing though what the case was without a Hitec programmer on hand. Here at RCE we had testing done on the 1267 and 1268 servos and they were compared directly to a number of HV premium and sport Hitec servos. I went into detail on another thread concerning this, but in short, they have shown to be grossly overrated in their specs and draw considerably more power in the process and even some of the cheap Hitec "sport" servos outperformed them with "specs" that were half that of what Savox puts down on paper. Also, not sure what Savox model your reffering to, but I know of no Savox that has 391oz. of torque at .10 transit speed, not that those specs are anywhere near accurate though if they follow tradition, lol. Savox uses a nice looking case, decent gears and bearing, but the coreless motors they use suck plain and simple, which is basically the heart of the servo itself and the most expensive component. This is where Savox cut a major corner. |
Just found this.
Looks like a typo on the 9380 as is should be .13 sec. The specs are essentially the same as the 7940/45/50 but sip power and do not slow down as they are heavily loaded. Playing with the sample I got last week, I would hang 10lbs of weight on the highest speed version and it drew only .23A... the similar 7940 was 2.5A. Even when stalling the servos (can handle this indefinitely BTW!) it was only 1A. The servos are also dead silent and the programmability goes way beyond what we have now. You can modify torque zones so that on a throttle for example, you can set the end's so they draw almost no current when reaching a hard stop. Of course there are basic and advanced programmable options and if you get too far out of whack you can just reset to default or a previous configuration from a saved file. Also, each servo can be named and the history of it's usage is logged. So if someone sends a servo in and says it's new, we'll know if it really is! Thx |
Originally Posted by teeforb
(Post 9321948)
Just found this.
Can u comment on the current used in these new servos compared to both older hitecs and savox HV servos? Thx As for commenting on the new Hitec BL servos I cant yet because they arent yet available commercially. As it is the current Hitec HV servos themselves are already overkill for 8th and 10th scale use. BTW the .10/391oz. rating you quoted is a Hitec unit, and NOT a Savox servo. ;) |
like i mentioned, it was 361 and 0.11sec.
You can not confirm that the new servos are 10X less current usage then the current hitec servos, as stated in my quote. thx
Originally Posted by ntrain42
(Post 9322288)
The new BL Hitec HV servos which arent available yet will draw even less power than the current Hitec HV servos and have other small advantages as well, but now your talking about a servo that will in some cases be twice the cost.
As for commenting on the new Hitec BL servos I cant yet because they arent yet available commercially. As it is the current Hitec HV servos themselves are already overkill for 8th and 10th scale use. BTW the .10/391oz. rating you quoted is a Hitec unit, and NOT a Savox servo. ;) |
Originally Posted by teeforb
(Post 9322380)
like i mentioned, it was 361 and 0.11sec.
You can not confirm that the new servos are 10X less current usage then the current hitec servos, as stated in my quote. thx You stated that a SAVOX(There is no such thing as a Savox "ultra torque" servo) servo had a spec rating of 391oz./.10 spec rating(Its actually 319, not 391 as there is no posted spec servo with 391oz. of torque) when in fact your were quoting a spec rating off a new 9370 BL Hitec servo that hasnt even been released yet. And now your changing your quoted spec rating to 361oz and .11 transit time specs, thats different from 391/.10 as you quoted originally. LOL! I suggest before you post again here to carefully reread all the previous posts on this thread. ;) |
You need to brush up on your reading skills immensely. My current draw comparison was based on the CURRENT Hitec HV servos(7940,7945,7954,7950), and compared directly to the current lineup of Savox servos(1267,1268). READ MY QUOTE: "Looks like a typo on the 9380 as is should be .13 sec. The specs are essentially the same as the 7940/45/50 but sip power and do not slow down as they are heavily loaded. Playing with the sample I got last week, I would hang 10lbs of weight on the highest speed version and it drew only .23A.. the similar 7940 was 2.5A" It clearly states the newer servos are running at .23A and the current 7940 servos are running at 2.5A. That's around 10X difference! Here's the thread! http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309838 sounds like you need to brush up on your reading skills! My quote had NOTHING to do with savox servos! You stated that a SAVOX(There is no such thing as a Savox "ultra torque" servo) servo had a spec rating of 391oz./.10 spec rating(Its actually 319, not 391 as there is no posted spec servo with 391oz. of torque) when in fact your were quoting a spec rating off a new 9370 BL Hitec servo that hasnt even been released yet. From Amainhobbies: Savox SC-1268MG "Ultra Torque" Digital Steel Gear Servo (High Voltage) [SAV-SC-1268SG] And now your changing your quoted spec rating to 361oz and .11 transit time specs, thats different from 391/.10 as you quoted originally. LOL! "teeforb: Sorry, going off of memory which isn't a good thing. It was 361 and .11 @ 7.4v." I suggest before you post again here to carefully reread all the previous posts on this thread. |
Originally Posted by teeforb
(Post 9322708)
Look bro, i'm trying to have a civil non-subjective discussion with you. But now you are taking things too far with your comments.
READ MY QUOTE: "Looks like a typo on the 9380 as is should be .13 sec. The specs are essentially the same as the 7940/45/50 but sip power and do not slow down as they are heavily loaded. Playing with the sample I got last week, I would hang 10lbs of weight on the highest speed version and it drew only .23A.. the similar 7940 was 2.5A" It clearly states the newer servos are running at .23A and the current 7940 servos are running at 2.5A. That's around 10X difference! Here's the thread! http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309838 sounds like you need to brush up on your reading skills! My quote had NOTHING to do with savox servos! ONCE AGAIN, i clearly stated it was a mistake on my quote. I clearly said the servo i was referring to was 361 and .11sec. And there is a such thing as savox ultra torque. From Amainhobbies: Savox SC-1268MG "Ultra Torque" Digital Steel Gear Servo (High Voltage) [SAV-SC-1268SG] Once again, i said it was a mistake! "teeforb: Sorry, going off of memory which isn't a good thing. It was 361 and .11 @ 7.4v." There is nothing I put that was incorrect that wasn't corrected. I suggest you read more carefully and open your mind up to a non-subjective debate. It's clear that you are Hitec biased, which caused this to be a pointless discussion. A. My latest posts clearly are not comparing the soon to be released BL servos from Hitec. They are pointed towards the current Hitec HV servos. B. I do not go off specs from retailers like Amain Hobbies, I get em direct from the mfg. The Savox 1268 is a "high torque" servo with spec ratings of 347oz./.11(which has been found to have a real world value closer to 190-200oz/.15-.16 at 7.4 volts.) C. I am not disputing the current Hitec HV servo's current draw. Right around 2-2.5amps is correct regardless if its a 7940,7945,7954 or 7950 thats about what they all draw, in the 2 amp range. The 1268/1267 Savox servos have shown to draw over 5-6 amps of current. So compared to the HV Hitec servos thats 2-3 times more current draw as stated. They use a really cheap coreless motor thats powerhungry. As for the new lower current draw of the soon to be released Hitec BL servos, I cannot confirm anything yet. But knowing Hitec and their ability to come reasonably close and/or hit their rated specs, I wouldnt doubt that they will be drawing less than an amp of current. Won't know till they are relased though. WHen they are, I will be picking up 3-4 of em. D. I clearly am Hitec biased because they PERFORM. If they didnt perform as good as they do and there was a better performing durable servo out there for reasonable money, Id be using that instead. I have used Hitec servos for 20 plus years, and they have always met or exceeded my expectations. I only buy the best products. I don't waste money on junk. |
1) show me one place that I have misquoting something that i didn't immediately correct?
2) Here is their HIGH VOLTAGE ULTRA TORQUE SERVO with specs of 0.11s and 361. http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...o-High-Voltage Specifications: Torque: @6.0v - 208 oz-in. (13 kg-cm) / @7.4v - 361oz-in. (26 kg-cm) Speed: @6.0v - 0.13sec/60° / @7.4v - 0.11sec/60° like i said, many of us folks have no choice to take the specs we see on the web. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE! 3) My comparison question was about the older and new hitec servos. Never about the savox. That wasn't my interest. If savox are more power hungry, I do not dispute that!
Originally Posted by ntrain42
(Post 9322795)
Im being plenty civil, but you continue to keep misquoting specs and are missing entire points.
A. My latest posts clearly are not comparing the soon to be released BL servos from Hitec. They are pointed towards the current Hitec HV servos. B. I do not go off specs from retailers like Amain Hobbies, I get em direct from the mfg. The Savox 1268 is a "high torque" servo with spec ratings of 347oz./.11(which has been found to have a real world value closer to 190-200oz/.15-.16 at 7.4 volts.) C. I am not disputing the current Hitec HV servo's current draw. Right around 2-2.5amps is correct regardless if its a 7940,7945,7954 or 7950 thats about what they all draw, in the 2 amp range. The 1268/1267 Savox servos have shown to draw over 5-6 amps of current. So compared to the HV Hitec servos thats 2-3 times more current draw as stated. They use a really cheap coreless motor thats powerhungry. As for the new lower current draw of the soon to be released Hitec BL servos, I cannot confirm anything yet. But knowing Hitec and their ability to come reasonably close and/or hit their rated specs, I wouldnt doubt that they will be drawing less than an amp of current. Won't know till they are relased though. WHen they are, I will be picking up 3-4 of em. D. I clearly am Hitec biased because they PERFORM. If they didnt perform as good as they do and there was a better performing durable servo out there for reasonable money, Id be using that instead. I have used Hitec servos for 20 plus years, and they have always met or exceeded my expectations. I only buy the best products. I don't waste money on junk. |
Originally Posted by teeforb
(Post 9322828)
1) show me one place that I have misquoting something that i didn't immediately correct?
2) Here is their HIGH VOLTAGE ULTRA TORQUE SERVO with specs of 0.11s and 361. http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...o-High-Voltage Specifications: Torque: @6.0v - 208 oz-in. (13 kg-cm) / @7.4v - 361oz-in. (26 kg-cm) Speed: @6.0v - 0.13sec/60° / @7.4v - 0.11sec/60° like i said, many of us folks have no choice to take the specs we see on the web. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE! 3) My comparison question was about the older and new hitec servos. Never about the savox. That wasn't my interest. If savox are more power hungry, I do not dispute that! Again, I dont get specs from hobbyshops, I get em direct from the mfg. And even so in the case of Savox, they grossly over rate their servo's realworld performance. As for what you stated, reread post #32,post #34,post #37 which all contradict one another or imply your comparing Savox to Hitec in one form or another. I can only go by what you type down........ |
teeforb Give it a rest and go play with your Savox servos. Leave us with our new Hitec BL servos.
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Someone doesn't have or tried hv hitec....post savox to the other tread...
Please keep ur savox if you like. I am goint to try new hitec for sure. |
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