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20 SMOKE 02-11-2011 04:27 PM

2C rated charger's
 
OK i have been doing this for a while and i know that the GFX and Turbo 35 can do a 2c charge but what else out there can,i don't keep up on what newer chargers do i have one the works and that was the end of it no need to keep looking.

crusey_aus 02-11-2011 05:23 PM

Most chargers are capable of charging at higher rates

For a 5000mah pack
Entering 5 amps as the charge rate will charge it at 1c
Entering 10 amps as the charge rate will charge it at 2c

If it doesnt allow a charge rate to be entered then simply enter double the pack size

10000 mah for a 5000mah pack

Some will allow a capacity and a charge rate as multiples of 'c' to be entered

In most cases you will be limited to the maximum charging output of the unit

Most small, cheap chargers have a 50 watt limit

Charging a 3s 5000mah pack at 1c requires 63 watts

If charged on a 50 watt charger current will be limited to 3.9 amps (50 divided by 12.6), regardless of what you enter

I use an Icharger 206b which has a 6s / 20 amp limit (300 watts)

That means I can charge a 3s pack at 20 amps (4c if the pack is 5000mah)

If I were to charge a 6s pack I would be limited to 11.9 amps (300 divided by 25.2), which would be 2c for a 5000mah sized pack

Cheers

Duster_360 02-11-2011 05:55 PM

You can find chargers with a 10 or 20amp max charge pretty easy. Beyond that, they start getting a little less common with either 30amps ot 40amps max charge rate. The 1420 charger is a 20amp charger. The new SuperDuo has 20amps in each port. The new TP dual charger also has 20amps max charge in each port.

There are several higher charge rate iChargers, the 106b and 1010b are 10amps, 206b and 208b are 20amp chargers, and the 306b and 3010b are 30amp chargers. FMA's Powerlab is the only 40amp charger that I'm aware of thats on the market. Prices run from $100 - 250. The iChargers are sold by AMain rebadged as Protek chargers, but they are the same.

There are several chinese chargers that have at least 10amps, GT Power A-6-10, HobbyKing EC06-10, and the Turnigy A-6-10 are 10amp, 200watt chargers. They have a 20amp 400watt charger, the Turnigy Mega charger with a 20amp charge and 400watts, but its reviews have been poor.

There are prob more.

20 SMOKE 02-11-2011 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by crusey_aus (Post 8639079)
Most chargers are capable of charging at higher rates

For a 5000mah pack
Entering 5 amps as the charge rate will charge it at 1c
Entering 10 amps as the charge rate will charge it at 2c

If it doesnt allow a charge rate to be entered then simply enter double the pack size

10000 mah for a 5000mah pack

Some will allow a capacity and a charge rate as multiples of 'c' to be entered

In most cases you will be limited to the maximum charging output of the unit

Most small, cheap chargers have a 50 watt limit

Charging a 3s 5000mah pack at 1c requires 63 watts

If charged on a 50 watt charger current will be limited to 3.9 amps (50 divided by 12.6), regardless of what you enter

I use an Icharger 206b which has a 6s / 20 amp limit (300 watts)

That means I can charge a 3s pack at 20 amps (4c if the pack is 5000mah)

If I were to charge a 6s pack I would be limited to 11.9 amps (300 divided by 25.2), which would be 2c for a 5000mah sized pack

Cheers

i did not ask for a explanation i know how it works i asked for the chargers

20 SMOKE 02-11-2011 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 8639186)
You can find chargers with a 10 or 20amp max charge pretty easy. Beyond that, they start getting a little less common with either 30amps ot 40amps max charge rate. The 1420 charger is a 20amp charger. The new SuperDuo has 20amps in each port. The new TP dual charger also has 20amps max charge in each port.

There are several higher charge rate iChargers, the 106b and 1010b are 10amps, 206b and 208b are 20amp chargers, and the 306b and 3010b are 30amp chargers. FMA's Powerlab is the only 40amp charger that I'm aware of thats on the market. Prices run from $100 - 250. The iChargers are sold by AMain rebadged as Protek chargers, but they are the same.

There are several chinese chargers that have at least 10amps, GT Power A-6-10, HobbyKing EC06-10, and the Turnigy A-6-10 are 10amp, 200watt chargers. They have a 20amp 400watt charger, the Turnigy Mega charger with a 20amp charge and 400watts, but its reviews have been poor.

There are prob more.

thanks, the names are what i am looking for

crusey_aus 02-11-2011 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE (Post 8639431)
i did not ask for a explanation i know how it works i asked for the chargers

If you knew how it worked you wouldnt have asked for a charger that does 2c

I was simply pointing out that any charger can charge at a higher rate, you dont need a specific charger with that function

Simply work out the rate you need and get a charger with a power output to suit

Tell us what size packs, what charge rate you need and what your budget is and you might get better advice

Cheers

20 SMOKE 02-11-2011 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by crusey_aus (Post 8639468)
If you knew how it worked you wouldnt have asked for a charger that does 2c

I was simply pointing out that any charger can charge at a higher rate, you dont need a specific charger with that function

Simply work out the rate you need and get a charger with a power output to suit

Tell us what size packs, what charge rate you need and what your budget is and you might get better advice

Cheers

no they all dont,i have a multiplex that only does 1c

crusey_aus 02-11-2011 08:06 PM

So if you have a 2000mah sized pack

You enter the size as 4000mah

Will it not be a 2c charge ?

Cheers

ganymede 02-11-2011 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE (Post 8638876)
OK i have been doing this for a while and i know that the GFX and Turbo 35 can do a 2c charge but what else out there can,i don't keep up on what newer chargers do i have one the works and that was the end of it no need to keep looking.

You are looking for maximum charging amp of a charger rather than how many C it can put out.

To illustrate:

to charge a 5000mAh pack at 1C is 5A but 10A at 2C

to charge a 10,000mAh pack at 1C is 10A and 20A at 2C

If you know what's the maximum capacity pack you will be charging and at what C then you will know how many Amperage you will need, and select the charger that is capable of putting out the required Amperage.

Personally, I would aim for a minimum of 20A.

Duster_360 02-12-2011 07:33 AM

In all the chargers I've had and used only the ICE, TC1030 and Hyperion chargers have limited the charge based on "C" which is a safety thing. I've never used an FMA charger, but I've read they either do the same thing or something similar. I have a BNIB Multiplex LN5014 charger , but I've never opened it.

Most chargers just ask for cell count (voltage) and a charge rate. I guess they assume you know what you're doing. The only safety check they make is on connected voltage versus the cell count you input. If you want to charge a 1C rated lipo at 5C (and have the max charge rate to do it), this type charger will not stop you.

20 SMOKE 02-12-2011 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Duster_360 (Post 8641128)
In all the chargers I've had and used only the ICE, TC1030 and Hyperion chargers have limited the charge based on "C" which is a safety thing. I've never used an FMA charger, but I've read they either do the same thing or something similar. I have a BNIB Multiplex LN5014 charger , but I've never opened it.

Most chargers just ask for cell count (voltage) and a charge rate. I guess they assume you know what you're doing. The only safety check they make is on connected voltage versus the cell count you input. If you want to charge a 1C rated lipo at 5C (and have the max charge rate to do it), this type charger will not stop you.

I like the multiplex i don't like the low discharge rate 1amp for lipo,HKing has some descent one for a good price so i may look at them

AreCee 02-12-2011 10:05 AM

You are able to set the charge current on the TC1030, I do it often usually 1.5C to get a faster charge during a race. However, the auxillary balancer has a recommended 3A limit though I have run up to 7A through it.

Duster_360 02-12-2011 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by 20 SMOKE (Post 8641458)
I like the multiplex i don't like the low discharge rate 1amp for lipo,HKing has some descent one for a good price so i may look at them

HK has some decent chargers, especially for the price. I've been happy with the two I own. Look at the specs - HK is pretty good about giving both the charger output power and the discharge power limits in their specs. A charger with 5watts disch limit won't be able to do much in the way of disch even if the max discharge current is 5amps. You'll be quickly limited by the disch power limit. You need 50+watts of disch power to do serious disch for 2 - 3S lipos. Disch for higher cell count, will need more than that.


Sorry about the bad info on the TC1030 - I use mine mostly for NiMh, I only charge small 18th scale lipos with it. I have more capable chargers for my 3S and up higher capacity lipos.

Dave H 02-12-2011 01:59 PM

The bigger Hyperions, at least recent ones, have an adjustable C safety limit in the user setup. If I remember correctly it is set at 2C to begin with. When setting up a capacity it defaults the amps to 1C, but it can be changed and will stay there if you don't change capacity. Up to 5C is possible, without the fake capacity trick, well assuming enough power is available for the size lipo you are charging.

mikeygar 02-12-2011 08:09 PM

I'm using a MuchMore Legend that can go up to 16A and an LRP Pulsar Touch good to 12. My packs are 6000 mah and charges full in about 40 minutes at 12A


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