no offense to what you said. i was just stating that resistance does make a difference.
there is a small diff if any between traxxas and deans but a huge diff between those and the tamiya's.
since you have been in the rc hobby since 1985 i am sure you have seen how the tamiya degreades after the 3rd time or so useing them.
try and check the resistance after about 20 times. it will be alot higher than the others after the same amount of time.
plus they will also have intermitant contact. that is not good.

i think the main reason for soldering stuff at the pro level is thats one more thing they dont have to worry about. like coming disconnected. plus im sure they dont have to pay for the wire or solder.

you also said a plug will not win you a race. but if it come undun it WILL lose you the race.

i think we do need to lay this to rest. we are just argueing now back and forth.

direct soldering is the best
deans
traxxas/sermow/losi
butt connectors
few other types of connection you can use
way down and the worst ever is the tamiya.

there is so little diff between deans/traxxas/sermow/losi resistance wise that either will do for the regular track racer and basher.

i think this sounds about right

dawg
yup that sounds about right. i approve this message

i like the ec3

Apparently you missed your own words ...
"Over the years companies said that there was voltage loss while trying to sell there plugs, thats crap. I am an electician and a electircal engineer and the resistance from direct soldering or using connectors like tamiya, deans, sermos or traxxas is so minimal that if you could tell a difference then u must be a genious cause you cant."
...because you were not only backing the Tamiya plugs, but you were also saying they are no worse than anything else out there - which is NOT true!
If you had been involved in the hobby as long as you suggested, and were actually an electrical engineer as you said, YOU of all people would know for a fact that the supposition you suggested wasn't even close to reality and that there is a huge difference in resistance (not loss in resistance, which means nothing) from plug to plug with Tamiya's being about the worst thing ever produced.

What do you have, freaking gorilla fingers?
Anybody with normal sized fingers, that is not dexteriously challenged, is able to use deans plugs without gripping the wires. With a minimal amount of care, let alone an easy to do double shrinkwrapping (they give you enough pieces to accomplish it), the heat shrink has no reason to short out via a nick - and even when nicked, unless you're really dumb or trying to short the battery pack it's still almost entirely impossible to short them out.... oh, and by the way, plenty of guys use them without incident with no heatshrink at all. :rolleyes:

100% agree. They are really easy to pull apart and take a few seconds without disassembling tiny parts to solder.

WFO
If you read on I say that the tamiya plugs are garbage and sermos, deans and traxxas are good enough and have minimal amount of resistance but it sounds like you have such a hard on for hanging on words guess u didnt get that part. Use your deans plugs, Im not saying there bad I just dont prefer them.

What I am "hanging on" is the biggest part of the discussion and primary point of using one over the other for an EXPERIENCED rc'er and a collge educated electrical engineer -- and it's the resistance of one compared to the other.
Your contention makes no sense, and isn't correct on but the most elementary of levels - that being that it's easy for even a blind man to be able to use the Tamiya plugs. Big wups. :rolleyes:

You based your whole argument on your 20-something years of RC experience and your education and professional experience, yet the only thing you backed up was a concept only RC-noobies/rookies make.

WFO
Have fun with your deans plugs buddy

Lets face it, you can melt a Tamiya plug with a 1200mah 6 cell pack frm the 80's and a stock 540 motor. So just put on whatever you want hope the next guy has the same thing.......DEANS :nod:IMO......since we're at it which is better FORD-DODGE-CHEVY???? ROFL

Hasn't this dead horse been beatin' enough?

Toyota

just as a note I've run deans plugs for years without heat shrink on them and never had an issue. unless you have a lot of metal parts on you R/C car it's not a problem. This is low voltage DC current it doesn't short out too easily.

Edited for novices, I do not condone of running them without heat shrink but it isn't the end of the world. under normal circumstances the leads shouldn't fall off or hit one another. I highly suggest not running without heat shrink if there is any metallic items near the connector.

happy now?

rogue please go back and edit that last statement.
if you short out the pos and neg it could weld across the terminals.
i would try it to show a point but i dont want to ruin anything.

please use heatshrink. its cheap and easy to use.

Hmmm not sure about that one..Touch the leads together on a 11.1v lipo and let me know what happens.:lol:

the leads are affixed to the connector without any metal around it's not going to short. Unless perhaps you suck at soldering and the solder joint fails and hits the other lead. they aren't goring to short under normal conditions