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gigaplex 12-31-2023 11:53 AM

My MT12 arrived yesterday. Haven't had time to play with it much since I'm heading overseas today, but my initial impression of the menus is that it definitely looks like it was designed by a bunch of engineers with little UX consideration. Lots of options but not particularly intuitive. The ergonomics feel a bit odd, might take some getting used to. I've got fairly big hands but the trigger throw felt like a bit of a stretch. The calibration on the throttle seems a bit concerning, it'll only hit 98% when braking normally. I need to press forward and up simultaneously to hit 100%. The left dial also sits at around 1-2 points to the left when you hit the neutral point. Turning the radio on is also a bit weird, you have to hold the button while the screen does the animation. If you release it before the animation completes the power cuts out immediately. There's a setting in the menu to change it but even when I set the delay to 0 it still requires me to hold it for at least a second or 2.

ReneT 12-31-2023 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by gigaplex (Post 16062316)
My MT12 arrived yesterday. Haven't had time to play with it much since I'm heading overseas today, but my initial impression of the menus is that it definitely looks like it was designed by a bunch of engineers with little UX consideration. Lots of options but not particularly intuitive. The ergonomics feel a bit odd, might take some getting used to. I've got fairly big hands but the trigger throw felt like a bit of a stretch. The calibration on the throttle seems a bit concerning, it'll only hit 98% when braking normally. I need to press forward and up simultaneously to hit 100%. The left dial also sits at around 1-2 points to the left when you hit the neutral point. Turning the radio on is also a bit weird, you have to hold the button while the screen does the animation. If you release it before the animation completes the power cuts out immediately. There's a setting in the menu to change it but even when I set the delay to 0 it still requires me to hold it for at least a second or 2.

If wheel, throttle or dials are a bit off, run calibration. That should sort it out.
Calibration is in the SYS menu, screen 6/7 by default.

Chof 01-01-2024 06:55 AM

I didn't like the feel of the MT12's steering, so I modified it.

1) I removed the burr in the hinge pin hole of the lever so that the lever could move smoothly.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...fe03e3b2d3.jpg

2) I removed the looseness of the bearing (850ZZ) on the back side of the steering shaft.

3) I removed the initial tension of the return spring and increased the spring rate.
I prefer a stiffer spring, so I set the number of turns to 11 turns.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...fb663c7138.jpg

The free length of the spring was set to a little over 15mm so that the pretension could be adjusted to 0.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...271e7a667f.jpg

With the above modifications, the steering feel of MT12 has been greatly improved.

Zoomies 01-01-2024 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Chof (Post 16062196)
Unfortunately, I cannot prepare an anechoic chamber.


I think that even if I test MT12 (elrs), I will only get the same results as other people's tests.
You probably want to check that, but testing takes a lot of effort. I might do it if I feel like it, but please don't get your hopes up.



By the way, I have previously conducted a latency test using the MPM(JP4in1) and the REDPINE protocol.

Radio : X9Lite (EdgeTX2.6, serial_x4_mod)
TX module : JP4in1SE
Receiver : R84 (REDSKY mod)
Latency : 5.7ms(ave.)

I believe the REDPINE protocol is the fastest in MPM, but it still falls short of elrs. MT12 (4in1) has the advantage of being able to bind with many existing receivers, but if looking for performance, I think MT12 (ELRS) is the only choice.

I would argue strongly against this - these hobbyist test methodologies are not standardised, neither by yourself nor other testers - the best thing to do would be compare hardware performance using your methodology, test equipment and environment as constants.

Zoomies 01-01-2024 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by ReneT (Post 16062368)
If wheel, throttle or dials are a bit off, run calibration. That should sort it out.
Calibration is in the SYS menu, screen 6/7 by default.

My radio should arrive today - do you feel this is the first thing I should do?

I'm confident I'm going to be able to set up endpoints (weight?) but not sure about how to do neg expo on throttle and steering.

Chof 01-01-2024 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomies (Post 16062607)
My radio should arrive today - do you feel this is the first thing I should do?

I'm confident I'm going to be able to set up endpoints (weight?) but not sure about how to do neg expo on throttle and steering.

When you receive your radio, the first thing you should do is calibration. It may not be necessary, but there's no harm in doing it.

Initial setup (neutral, endpoint, etc.) is usually done on the "OUTPUTS" screen (page 6/11). EXPO will be held on the “CURVES” screen (page 7/11).

Chof 01-01-2024 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Zoomies (Post 16062605)
I would argue strongly against this - these hobbyist test methodologies are not standardised, neither by yourself nor other testers - the best thing to do would be compare hardware performance using your methodology, test equipment and environment as constants.

Yes, I think you are absolutely right. It is natural that the test results will be different if the environment is different. If I have enough time, I will do a latency test of MT12 (elrs).

I said this.
"I will only get the same results as other people's tests"
Yes, this is just my "guess" and I have no proof. It is natural to have doubts about the results of my "SANWA test".

However, I think you can trust my "SANWA test" to a certain extent. This is because I have conducted other latency tests in the past and have confirmed that I have obtained almost the same results as other testers. I posted the REDPINE test results because I wanted to convey that.

My test results may not be sufficient for quantitative consideration, but I think they can be used for qualitative comparison. Please take it as such.

strodedawg 01-02-2024 12:05 PM

OK I am going to grab this

https://www.amainhobbies.com/radioma....5a2s/p1533868

as a change of radio this year, I chose this over the 4n1 for the super fast response. Are there different types of receivers? I need one for my 5th scale, 8th scale, 1/14 and 1/12th scale and trying to get the proper units. any help is appreciated

Chof 01-02-2024 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by strodedawg (Post 16062924)
Are there different types of receivers? I need one for my 5th scale, 8th scale, 1/14 and 1/12th scale and trying to get the proper units. any help is appreciated

Basically, I think ER3C-i is sufficient. If you need 4 or more channels, ER5C-i is available.

strodedawg 01-03-2024 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by Chof (Post 16063011)
Basically, I think ER3C-i is sufficient. If you need 4 or more channels, ER5C-i is available.

thank you

Zoomies 01-03-2024 02:45 AM

Some accessories have just come through on email. Most look like spares, trigger assy, wrist strap etc, but there's what looks like a right to left hand enclosure option, which I believe is new.

https://www.radiomasterrc.com/produc...48375063019751

Tomillia 01-04-2024 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Chof (Post 16062061)
For comparison with MT12.
I have measured the latency of SANWA M11X and M17, and it is disappointing that it exceeds your expectations.

M11X latency : 35ms(ave.)
M17 latency : 22ms(ave.)

h ttp://sybrand.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-312.html
h ttp://sybrand.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-355.html

Something seems to be off either with your methodology of testing or the one condac used in This Thread (Radio Benchmark program and results).
It shows hugely different results than your findings. It shows an average latency of 4.1 ms with a standard deviation of 0.730 ms. And this results are from the Sanwa M12 NOT M12S or even the Sanwa M17.


Originally Posted by condac (Post 14971260)
Sanwa M12 results:
Servo update rate:384.165Hz
Avg latency: 4.1ms
Min:2.2ms
Max:6.5ms
Std deviation: 0.730ms

Very solid performance.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachme...1&d=1499544066



2000drz400e 01-04-2024 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Chof (Post 16062670)
When you receive your radio, the first thing you should do is calibration. It may not be necessary, but there's no harm in doing it.

Initial setup (neutral, endpoint, etc.) is usually done on the "OUTPUTS" screen (page 6/11). EXPO will be held on the “CURVES” screen (page 7/11).

You don't need to configure expo in the curves screen. You can configure a simple percent expo right in the inputs screen. Curves is more for if you need to configure a many point curve. You can also configure expo in the mixes screen.

General rule of thumb for EdgeTX is to use the inputs screen for your rates and expo. That's a carry over from planes where you might have multiple outputs tied to the same input by different mixes. The most common one is you have a servo per aileron. So you need two aileron mixes. To avoid having to apply your dual rates or expo config to both mixes you can instead apply it to the single Aileron input, which saves some work and room for error like apply an expo change to just one aileron. With a car where you just have throttle and steering it doesn't really matter of course.

There's a lot of different ways to do the same thing in EdgeTX, not really a wrong way.

Chof 01-04-2024 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by 2000drz400e (Post 16063816)
You don't need to configure expo in the curves screen. You can configure a simple percent expo right in the inputs screen.
There's a lot of different ways to do the same thing in EdgeTX, not really a wrong way.

That is correct. I overlooked it.

Chof 01-04-2024 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Tomillia (Post 16063813)
Something seems to be off either with your methodology of testing or the one condac used in This Thread (Radio Benchmark program and results).
It shows hugely different results than your findings. It shows an average latency of 4.1 ms with a standard deviation of 0.730 ms. And this results are from the Sanwa M12 NOT M12S or even the Sanwa M17.

Certainly, the results are completely different. I'm also interested, so I'd like to check out condac's arduino code.


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