You're probably right. I've added the fan boys to my ignore list so I won't be tempted to engage with the trolls again.

Would like to point out one thing - ELRS is free, but the radio sure as hell wasn't. It was a product made, advertised, and sold by a for-profit company that, from the moment it was released, advertised it as a premier, high quality product and the communitycult of radiomaster followers hyped it up as the world's most advanced radio that will make all other radios obsolete and put companies like futaba and sanwa out of business. And now that I have issues with it, all of a sudden now it's some kind of beta release of a brand new unproven technology being developed by some scrappy and generous devs and how dare I have any expectations of a free technology. Hopefully you can see the contradiction. And $129 is not nothing - especially for a radio that I have no use for otherwise, though I am glad yours isn't completely useless for you.

And just for fun - one of the funniest "wtf" things I found about the radio is the silly scroll wheel. Scroll up in a menu and the cursor goes up. Scroll up on a number and the number goes.... down? WTF. I just can't even. The lack of polish and attention to details on "the worlds most advanced radio" is laughable.

ROFLMAO!!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Not sure how you came to those expectations. It's priced in line with Furaba's bottom of the range 3PV. Even if it didn't have any runaway issues, it wouldn't have lived up to the hype you're describing.

Agreed, the UI is pretty bad. It's clearly built by engineers who care more about capabilities than the user experience.

I suppose I had a higher opinion of open source projects before my experience with this radio and that would explain why I had those expectations, but sad to say this radio has really opened my eyes to the downsides of open source projects as well. people trash on corporate culture all the time, but none of the equipment I design at my job would ever get out of CAD and into the real world if we didn't have good product managers, project managers, and engineering team leads coordinating all our efforts towards a single vision of what the product should be, and that vision comes from sales teams doing customer surveys to make sure we deliver equipment that adequately addresses what the customer needs.

in contrast, my perception of open source from these projects is a bunch of amateur hobbyists all working on their specific pet projects with little to no eye towards a single unified vision and certainly nobody doing the boring but important rigorous work of things like product specification documents, sequence of operation documents, or a DFMEA (which would 100% have caught the runaways in the pre 3.4.0 releases and guided the hardware engineers away from selecting a chip that blasts garbage on the pwm pins). basically the inmates are running the asylum and this radio is the result.

but honestly it came pretty close to being a TOTL contender at least in terms of latency. build quality was very nice, too, if a bit too bulky/hefty. And pointlessly adorned with gamer rgb lights - again, not something that would have come from the result of a customer oriented vision for the product.

if ELRS gets the runaways fixed, adds support for high refresh rate servos, and someone else creates a surface focused alternative to edgetx that isn't a god aweful mess to use, it does have the potential to be disruptive in the same way the NB4 was. I praise the NB4 now, but 5 years ago I would have told you anything flysky was trash, and that included the NB4 when it first came out. Everything FS put out before the NB4 WAS trash and they rightfully earned that reputation.. I bought a GT3B long ago and it stopped working within a month. I was skeptical when the NB4 came out, but eventually all the good reviews swayed me to give it a shot when I needed a new radio. And that's also why I was open to thinking the MT12 would be a great radio - it's wouldn't have been the first time a new disruptive radio hit that market that actually delivered on the hype. Only this time it didn't, lol.

but I don't see radiomaster putting in the effort that flysky did to pull themselves out of that hole, and I don't see the current flight oriented ELRS or edgetx devs putting in the effort to understand or deliver on the needs of the surface world. And I certainly don't see them adapting the "boring" corporate engineering practices that ensure they don't do something like release firmware that causes signal dropouts and full throttle runaways.

From what I can remember, this was my first message to you: https://www.rctech.net/forum/showpos...&postcount=509

I just re-read it, and I still feel like I was trying to be helpful. I wrote a lot, yes... but I also prefaced it with this:

And this was your first response to me: https://www.rctech.net/forum/showpos...&postcount=510
I didn't presume you were too dumb to understand. I didn't presume a very high level of technical knowledge. Knowledge is not intelligence. But your tone and attitude is just... just... so.. I don't know.. abrasive? And then you go around accusing everyone else of being rude... I don't know... Again, I'm sorry I wasted my time. And I'm probably going to be sorry I even wrote this if you respond. Part of me hopes you counted me as a "fan boy" and muted me so I won't get a response, but part of me hopes we could just discuss respectfully.

Just a heads up, this thread has been reported a lot recently. So consider this a warning if it continues, we may have to lock this one up to force you to go play with your cars rather than sitting behind a keyboard.

I thoroughly enjoyed this made-up story. Thank you, it was fun.
But I'm getting a little bored, so please post the next fiction story. I'm looking forward to it.

Are you really going to continue to antagonise them after a moderator gave a warning?

Obviously yes.

Seems like they were just on the verge of working out their differences.

I'm of the thought that that has never happened.