where did ROAR go?
08-09-2005, 06:22 PM
#47
Jim, I know you somewhat agree with me here.... For the first time I'm going to get a Parma Alpha.... I can understand not wanting the class to become modeled after lexan doorstops.... Out of that list there's maybe 3 protoform bodies left in production.... I happen to like Dales bodies.... I just hate to jump on the bandwagon here and I wish there were more choices out there that worked.... I like the realism, just trying to figure out how to keep it that way...
edit, Tim and I posted at the same time...
Tim... I read his proposal and I agree with it....
edit, Tim and I posted at the same time...
Tim... I read his proposal and I agree with it....
08-10-2005, 06:04 AM
#48
Tim, Dale did put together a set of rules for TC bodies and submitted it to ROAR. I understand there was quite a debate over the proposal, but in the end it was voted down.
Allan, I absolutely agree with you. The most dominant car in road racing today is the Porsche 911. I think it's crazy that there isn't a RC 911 body that works. Unfortunately racers like Warren and Jackie don't care what body they're running, as long as it handles well. Those of us who want more realistic appearing bodies are a tiny minority. Until we can convince more people to change the body rules, things will stay the same.
Allan, I absolutely agree with you. The most dominant car in road racing today is the Porsche 911. I think it's crazy that there isn't a RC 911 body that works. Unfortunately racers like Warren and Jackie don't care what body they're running, as long as it handles well. Those of us who want more realistic appearing bodies are a tiny minority. Until we can convince more people to change the body rules, things will stay the same.
08-10-2005, 08:02 AM
#49
I'm running the HPI Porsche 911 Turbo body right now in a 2-door racing series, and it's not bad at all.
Allowing 2-door bodies in a different class wouldn't change anything too much. After a short period of time everyone would figure out what the best handling body is, and then that's all you would see in that particular class.
Instead of 10 Parma Alfas, you'd just have 10 Nissan 350Zs or something.
Allowing 2-door bodies in a different class wouldn't change anything too much. After a short period of time everyone would figure out what the best handling body is, and then that's all you would see in that particular class.
Instead of 10 Parma Alfas, you'd just have 10 Nissan 350Zs or something.
08-10-2005, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by McSmooth
I'm running the HPI Porsche 911 Turbo body right now in a 2-door racing series, and it's not bad at all.
Allowing 2-door bodies in a different class wouldn't change anything too much. After a short period of time everyone would figure out what the best handling body is, and then that's all you would see in that particular class.
Instead of 10 Parma Alfas, you'd just have 10 Nissan 350Zs or something.
Allowing 2-door bodies in a different class wouldn't change anything too much. After a short period of time everyone would figure out what the best handling body is, and then that's all you would see in that particular class.
Instead of 10 Parma Alfas, you'd just have 10 Nissan 350Zs or something.
08-10-2005, 09:49 AM
#51
Jim, I guess it comes with age also... But then again those guys care much more about winning... I care about having fun....
I'd love to see some Le Mans style events.... 3 motor/body classification and a longer race time.... Let's say you have 2 5 minute class qualifications and a 10-15 minute main... With the new 3700+ batteries even in Mod you could do it.... Have a TC class, GT 1&2, LMP or scratch the LMP (due to there really being no bodies) and just GT 1 and 2.... TC would be stock, GT2(Gt1) would be 19 turn and GT1 (LMP) would be mod.... Take all 3 A main's and put them together, B main, etc.... Let's say you have 15 cars on the track at a time, there are tracks that could handle it (SSH not Willis). You'd need to gear for qualifying and then regear for the main to make runtime.... Keep mod motors over 10 turns and allow pan cars into mod with a 2-5 turn motor handicap.... Have a class winner and overall winers... There are guys who could kick but with a stock TC over a mod LMP bodied pan car.... That would be a blast and it'd make racing a lot more exciting.... Right now, we're pretty much running 4 5 minute races and it only matters what you do on the last 5 minute run.... Just picture what'd look like with 3 different body styles and motors all trying to negotiate the track together.... Of course you're not going to put the C main demolition derby in with the A main....
I'd love to see some Le Mans style events.... 3 motor/body classification and a longer race time.... Let's say you have 2 5 minute class qualifications and a 10-15 minute main... With the new 3700+ batteries even in Mod you could do it.... Have a TC class, GT 1&2, LMP or scratch the LMP (due to there really being no bodies) and just GT 1 and 2.... TC would be stock, GT2(Gt1) would be 19 turn and GT1 (LMP) would be mod.... Take all 3 A main's and put them together, B main, etc.... Let's say you have 15 cars on the track at a time, there are tracks that could handle it (SSH not Willis). You'd need to gear for qualifying and then regear for the main to make runtime.... Keep mod motors over 10 turns and allow pan cars into mod with a 2-5 turn motor handicap.... Have a class winner and overall winers... There are guys who could kick but with a stock TC over a mod LMP bodied pan car.... That would be a blast and it'd make racing a lot more exciting.... Right now, we're pretty much running 4 5 minute races and it only matters what you do on the last 5 minute run.... Just picture what'd look like with 3 different body styles and motors all trying to negotiate the track together.... Of course you're not going to put the C main demolition derby in with the A main....
08-10-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by vtl1180ny
Jim, I guess it comes with age also... But then again those guys care much more about winning... I care about having fun....
I'd love to see some Le Mans style events.... 3 motor/body classification and a longer race time.... Let's say you have 2 5 minute class qualifications and a 10-15 minute main... With the new 3700+ batteries even in Mod you could do it.... Have a TC class, GT 1&2, LMP or scratch the LMP (due to there really being no bodies) and just GT 1 and 2.... TC would be stock, GT2(Gt1) would be 19 turn and GT1 (LMP) would be mod.... Take all 3 A main's and put them together, B main, etc.... Let's say you have 15 cars on the track at a time, there are tracks that could handle it (SSH not Willis). You'd need to gear for qualifying and then regear for the main to make runtime.... Keep mod motors over 10 turns and allow pan cars into mod with a 2-5 turn motor handicap.... Have a class winner and overall winers... There are guys who could kick but with a stock TC over a mod LMP bodied pan car.... That would be a blast and it'd make racing a lot more exciting.... Right now, we're pretty much running 4 5 minute races and it only matters what you do on the last 5 minute run.... Just picture what'd look like with 3 different body styles and motors all trying to negotiate the track together.... Of course you're not going to put the C main demolition derby in with the A main....
I'd love to see some Le Mans style events.... 3 motor/body classification and a longer race time.... Let's say you have 2 5 minute class qualifications and a 10-15 minute main... With the new 3700+ batteries even in Mod you could do it.... Have a TC class, GT 1&2, LMP or scratch the LMP (due to there really being no bodies) and just GT 1 and 2.... TC would be stock, GT2(Gt1) would be 19 turn and GT1 (LMP) would be mod.... Take all 3 A main's and put them together, B main, etc.... Let's say you have 15 cars on the track at a time, there are tracks that could handle it (SSH not Willis). You'd need to gear for qualifying and then regear for the main to make runtime.... Keep mod motors over 10 turns and allow pan cars into mod with a 2-5 turn motor handicap.... Have a class winner and overall winers... There are guys who could kick but with a stock TC over a mod LMP bodied pan car.... That would be a blast and it'd make racing a lot more exciting.... Right now, we're pretty much running 4 5 minute races and it only matters what you do on the last 5 minute run.... Just picture what'd look like with 3 different body styles and motors all trying to negotiate the track together.... Of course you're not going to put the C main demolition derby in with the A main....
Have a personal speaker system mounted on the drivers stand with headphone jacks & volume control. Bring your own headphones (so you don't get other peoples earwax in your ears), and while you race, every lap, it updates you on your position overall, in your class, & your laptimes + pace. It would require some kinks to be worked out, and also might be a tad bit expensive, but it could work. I think this system (yours and mine) could work exceptionally well at South Shore. But then again, it's still just an idea/prototype design/etc. so things can change.
Another thing just came into my mind, you said TC, GT1, and GT2 classes. Now, the TC I understand what bodies you'd be using, but how are you going to divide GT1 and GT2? What bodies are you going to be able to use? ROAR legal? I would think for GT1 you'd use like a Corvette C5, CTS-V R, S7R, or a Viper, and for GT2, like a Porsche 911 GT3, Mercedes CLK DTM, Vauxhall Astra, Honda NSX GT, or Mustang GT ('05).
08-10-2005, 11:38 AM
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The announcer can easily tell who's who and announce it properly... If you're in TC and you have a Vette behind you, move over.... It's all about having fun.... No punting the slower classes, work your way around them, if you punt you get a black flag and a stop and go....
08-10-2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by vtl1180ny
The announcer can easily tell who's who and announce it properly... If you're in TC and you have a Vette behind you, move over.... It's all about having fun.... No punting the slower classes, work your way around them, if you punt you get a black flag and a stop and go....
Talk about serious club racing! 
08-10-2005, 12:22 PM
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You should be black flagged now..... It's courtesy and this is a hobby.... Who wants to have to replace parts because someone thinks this is real life and they're going to win a million bucks...
08-10-2005, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vtl1180ny
You should be black flagged now..... It's courtesy and this is a hobby.... Who wants to have to replace parts because someone thinks this is real life and they're going to win a million bucks...
, & there? 
Because I'm kidding.... 
08-10-2005, 03:43 PM
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Just ask Michelin about the FIA
08-10-2005, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by vtl1180ny
I just spent 5 days a Lime Rock Park and I didn't see a single Stratus or Alpha...
That funny, I just helped a buddy who raced at Limerock....in his Alpha!!!
You point is well taken though. My opinion is that if it is a car body, and it meets a reasonable dimensional tolerance of the real thing.....race it.
08-10-2005, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by raffaelli
That funny, I just helped a buddy who raced at Limerock....in his Alpha!!!
You point is well taken though. My opinion is that if it is a car body, and it meets a reasonable dimensional tolerance of the real thing.....race it.
You point is well taken though. My opinion is that if it is a car body, and it meets a reasonable dimensional tolerance of the real thing.....race it.
