Palmaris engine thread
#841
Re: Re: Piston Modification
Hi Ed,
I think he just meant to say, put 2 holes on the piston, like some of the existing Mod engine ( OS and MAX on 2.1cc).
My personally experience after adding the 2 holes.
NOTHING
I heard it should give you more RPM, but on the two 2.1cc engine that I tried, it did not do anything, at least mine lap time remain the same.
I think he just meant to say, put 2 holes on the piston, like some of the existing Mod engine ( OS and MAX on 2.1cc).
My personally experience after adding the 2 holes.
NOTHING
I heard it should give you more RPM, but on the two 2.1cc engine that I tried, it did not do anything, at least mine lap time remain the same.
#842
Re: Re: Re: Piston Modification
Originally posted by kitracer
Hi Ed,
I think he just meant to say, put 2 holes on the piston, like some of the existing Mod engine ( OS and MAX on 2.1cc).
My personally experience after adding the 2 holes.
NOTHING
I heard it should give you more RPM, but on the two 2.1cc engine that I tried, it did not do anything, at least mine lap time remain the same.
Hi Ed,
I think he just meant to say, put 2 holes on the piston, like some of the existing Mod engine ( OS and MAX on 2.1cc).
My personally experience after adding the 2 holes.
NOTHING
I heard it should give you more RPM, but on the two 2.1cc engine that I tried, it did not do anything, at least mine lap time remain the same.
#843
Tech Adept
Top Gun 777
Sorry Ed,
I was talking about the "holes" in 3.5cc engine.
By the way i contacted Campbell regarding the price of the 3.5cc BRB piston,liner and conrod for either a Novamega MS Evo5 or a Rody C5. He said he will contact you to confirm the exact price. Hopefully, you can give him a price asap coz i would like to run your p/s and conrod set in the Brookland national in the second week of August!!! Oh, by the way, is there any particular method of running in BRB, as it is different from ABC and AAC?
cya
Xtreme8888
I was talking about the "holes" in 3.5cc engine.
By the way i contacted Campbell regarding the price of the 3.5cc BRB piston,liner and conrod for either a Novamega MS Evo5 or a Rody C5. He said he will contact you to confirm the exact price. Hopefully, you can give him a price asap coz i would like to run your p/s and conrod set in the Brookland national in the second week of August!!! Oh, by the way, is there any particular method of running in BRB, as it is different from ABC and AAC?
cya
Xtreme8888
#844
Re: Top Gun 777
Originally posted by xtreme888
Sorry Ed,
I was talking about the "holes" in 3.5cc engine.
By the way i contacted Campbell regarding the price of the 3.5cc BRB piston,liner and conrod for either a Novamega MS Evo5 or a Rody C5. He said he will contact you to confirm the exact price. Hopefully, you can give him a price asap coz i would like to run your p/s and conrod set in the Brookland national in the second week of August!!! Oh, by the way, is there any particular method of running in BRB, as it is different from ABC and AAC?
cya
Xtreme8888
Sorry Ed,
I was talking about the "holes" in 3.5cc engine.
By the way i contacted Campbell regarding the price of the 3.5cc BRB piston,liner and conrod for either a Novamega MS Evo5 or a Rody C5. He said he will contact you to confirm the exact price. Hopefully, you can give him a price asap coz i would like to run your p/s and conrod set in the Brookland national in the second week of August!!! Oh, by the way, is there any particular method of running in BRB, as it is different from ABC and AAC?
cya
Xtreme8888
Yes campbell call me and we working out right now on pricing.
Run in procedure is totaly different. Run one tank reach on starter box, one tanks slow on track and one tank mid speed on track. All these 3 tanks have to be on reach setting and temp must be no less then 185 F. Then it is ready to be tune for race tunning. This P/S set must to be run pretty hot-235-250 F. DON'T BE AFARAID THIS TEMP, NOTHING IS GOING HAPPENED TO ANYTHING. We run it on 350 F for 1 full tank and it was perfect condition. If try to run less then 235 F, it will not perform. It must to be leaner then original set.
#845
Tech Master
Re: Re: Top Gun 777
Originally posted by Top Gun 777
How is going.
Yes campbell call me and we working out right now on pricing.
Run in procedure is totaly different. Run one tank reach on starter box, one tanks slow on track and one tank mid speed on track. All these 3 tanks have to be on reach setting and temp must be no less then 185 F. Then it is ready to be tune for race tunning. This P/S set must to be run pretty hot-235-250 F. DON'T BE AFARAID THIS TEMP, NOTHING IS GOING HAPPENED TO ANYTHING. We run it on 350 F for 1 full tank and it was perfect condition. If try to run less then 235 F, it will not perform. It must to be leaner then original set.
How is going.
Yes campbell call me and we working out right now on pricing.
Run in procedure is totaly different. Run one tank reach on starter box, one tanks slow on track and one tank mid speed on track. All these 3 tanks have to be on reach setting and temp must be no less then 185 F. Then it is ready to be tune for race tunning. This P/S set must to be run pretty hot-235-250 F. DON'T BE AFARAID THIS TEMP, NOTHING IS GOING HAPPENED TO ANYTHING. We run it on 350 F for 1 full tank and it was perfect condition. If try to run less then 235 F, it will not perform. It must to be leaner then original set.
I will be at CP next saturday for the whole day too!
#846
Tech Adept
iTrader: (2)
Re: Re: Top Gun 777
Originally posted by Top Gun 777
How is going.
Yes campbell call me and we working out right now on pricing.
Run in procedure is totaly different. Run one tank reach on starter box, one tanks slow on track and one tank mid speed on track. All these 3 tanks have to be on reach setting and temp must be no less then 185 F. Then it is ready to be tune for race tunning. This P/S set must to be run pretty hot-235-250 F. DON'T BE AFARAID THIS TEMP, NOTHING IS GOING HAPPENED TO ANYTHING. We run it on 350 F for 1 full tank and it was perfect condition. If try to run less then 235 F, it will not perform. It must to be leaner then original set.
How is going.
Yes campbell call me and we working out right now on pricing.
Run in procedure is totaly different. Run one tank reach on starter box, one tanks slow on track and one tank mid speed on track. All these 3 tanks have to be on reach setting and temp must be no less then 185 F. Then it is ready to be tune for race tunning. This P/S set must to be run pretty hot-235-250 F. DON'T BE AFARAID THIS TEMP, NOTHING IS GOING HAPPENED TO ANYTHING. We run it on 350 F for 1 full tank and it was perfect condition. If try to run less then 235 F, it will not perform. It must to be leaner then original set.
#847
Re: Re: Re: Top Gun 777
Originally posted by Ah10
Hey ed, I was at CP till 5pm yesterday but didnt see u, would you please let me know when you have time?
I will be at CP next saturday for the whole day too!
Hey ed, I was at CP till 5pm yesterday but didnt see u, would you please let me know when you have time?
I will be at CP next saturday for the whole day too!
Saturday we were at Rev till 3:30 and then went straight back home. Sorry, realy didn't have chance to get on CP.
#848
Originally posted by Surge
Chuck,
Edward's probaby suggested it already but... the PS12 tunes different than other Nova or Sirios I've turned. I had to learn out of that a little for this one. It wants to be leaner on the bottom than any other engine I've run. I usually try to get the top end tuned on straight. Then on the starter box with the engine around 200F or so I lean to bottom end until the engine starts bogging a little. Then richen the bottom needle maybe 1-2hrs and try that. You may also have to richen the top needle just a little to compensate. I pinch the fuel tube about 3inches back from the carb and count between 1-2 secs before the engine dies. It might help with the bottom end a little. Edward probably disagrees with me tuning on the starter box but it'll get you close.
Chuck,
Edward's probaby suggested it already but... the PS12 tunes different than other Nova or Sirios I've turned. I had to learn out of that a little for this one. It wants to be leaner on the bottom than any other engine I've run. I usually try to get the top end tuned on straight. Then on the starter box with the engine around 200F or so I lean to bottom end until the engine starts bogging a little. Then richen the bottom needle maybe 1-2hrs and try that. You may also have to richen the top needle just a little to compensate. I pinch the fuel tube about 3inches back from the carb and count between 1-2 secs before the engine dies. It might help with the bottom end a little. Edward probably disagrees with me tuning on the starter box but it'll get you close.
What kind of carb, plugs and fuel did you use on PS12?
#849
Tech Adept
iTrader: (2)
Lately I've been using the Nelson plug, 20% Rocket Science fuel with a Novarossi carb from my NS12 (with the removable venturi). You indicated it's bogging slightly on acceleration and I assume it's fine through the mid and high range. So my guess for the solution to your flame out problem is to richen the bottom end needle a little. Try richening the bottom 1/2 to 1 hr at a time until the problem goes away. I've noticed that the PS12 responds well to small needle changes once you're close to optimum tune. I used to change them a 1/4 turn at a time and think I was tuning myself out by doing that. Try the 'pinch the fuel tube test' and count how long the engine takes to stall. Pinch about 3 inches back from the carb, mine usually takes 1.5-2sec. to stall. In TX I have to run a few hrs richer bottom end than I did in Cali. I'm curious, where do you live?
The design of the engine dissipates heat so well, I think the temps are masking the mixture just a little. That's probably why you're not seeing 280-300 like a Nova might with those needle settings. Also keep in mind that with the good dissipation, comes taking a little longer than normal to build the heat. I try to run my engine for 2min. on the track before I try to maximize the tuning. I like to let the engine warm up to race temp before I try to judge mixture or check temps.
The design of the engine dissipates heat so well, I think the temps are masking the mixture just a little. That's probably why you're not seeing 280-300 like a Nova might with those needle settings. Also keep in mind that with the good dissipation, comes taking a little longer than normal to build the heat. I try to run my engine for 2min. on the track before I try to maximize the tuning. I like to let the engine warm up to race temp before I try to judge mixture or check temps.
#850
Originally posted by boner
Surge: Do you have flame out problem with PS12? I have problem keeping this engine alive after 4 min of running (always after 4 min.) I tried to tune the engine like you suggested still flame out after 4 min mark. It only flame out if I let go of throttle for more than 3 sec after 4 mins. Other strange sign close to 4 min mark was very sluggish(bogging) on acceleration before 4 min the engins is a beast. Engine temp range 220~250F after flamed out. Manage to get it last for 10 min race at very rich setting, sloggish acceleration, engine temp 200F.
What kind of carb, plugs and fuel did you use on PS12?
Surge: Do you have flame out problem with PS12? I have problem keeping this engine alive after 4 min of running (always after 4 min.) I tried to tune the engine like you suggested still flame out after 4 min mark. It only flame out if I let go of throttle for more than 3 sec after 4 mins. Other strange sign close to 4 min mark was very sluggish(bogging) on acceleration before 4 min the engins is a beast. Engine temp range 220~250F after flamed out. Manage to get it last for 10 min race at very rich setting, sloggish acceleration, engine temp 200F.
What kind of carb, plugs and fuel did you use on PS12?
Carb - Novamega .12 with 5.4mm restrictor.
LSN - 1.5 turns out from completely in
HSN - 4.5 turns out from completely in
The engine temped at 220deg F and we know that there is still a lot left in the HSN yet. The only problem we encountered was the length of our straight. The engine was still pulling in 2nd come the end of the straight so we know we have a serious amount left in reserve. Basically, the clutch and gearbox was bolted on as it was running on the tuned Novamega and that engine was topping out at the end of the straight.
At these settings we had no bog throughout the run and still a healthy smoke trail from one end of the straight to the other.
#851
Surge and PE: I end up running very rich during my main which didn't flame out. very sluggish from bottom to end of the straight (100ft, small track) and half of my car is cover with fuel after the main. Luckly it's a old body not a newly painted.
I'm using MT12 carb, LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4 during the main race. I did a pinch test with engine at 200~210F, between 2-3 inch from the carb. Engine didn't raise rpm for 7 sec and engine ide at 10 sec. Engine temp 210F after 10 min race.
This is the setting I have during my qualifies which stall after 4 min mark, LSN: 1 1/4 HSN: 3 1/4. pinch test: 4 sec before engine stall. Engine temp around 230F when stalled
I'm using MT12 carb, LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4 during the main race. I did a pinch test with engine at 200~210F, between 2-3 inch from the carb. Engine didn't raise rpm for 7 sec and engine ide at 10 sec. Engine temp 210F after 10 min race.
This is the setting I have during my qualifies which stall after 4 min mark, LSN: 1 1/4 HSN: 3 1/4. pinch test: 4 sec before engine stall. Engine temp around 230F when stalled
Last edited by boner; 07-12-2004 at 08:43 PM.
#852
Originally posted by boner
Surge and PE: I end up running very rich during my main which didn't flame out. very sluggish from bottom to end of the straight (100ft, small track) and half of my car is cover with fuel after the main. Luckly it's a old body not a newly painted.
I'm using MT12 carb, LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4 during the main race. I did a pinch test with engine at 200~210F, between 2-3 inch from the carb. Engine didn't raise rpm for 7 sec and engine ide at 10 sec. Engine temp 210F after 10 min race.
This is the setting I have during my qualifies which stall after 4 min mark, LSN: 1 1/4 HSN: 3 1/4. pinch test: 4 sec before engine stall. Engine temp around 230F when stalled
Surge and PE: I end up running very rich during my main which didn't flame out. very sluggish from bottom to end of the straight (100ft, small track) and half of my car is cover with fuel after the main. Luckly it's a old body not a newly painted.
I'm using MT12 carb, LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4 during the main race. I did a pinch test with engine at 200~210F, between 2-3 inch from the carb. Engine didn't raise rpm for 7 sec and engine ide at 10 sec. Engine temp 210F after 10 min race.
This is the setting I have during my qualifies which stall after 4 min mark, LSN: 1 1/4 HSN: 3 1/4. pinch test: 4 sec before engine stall. Engine temp around 230F when stalled
210 after 10 miuts race is too llow, it shoud be somewhere between 240-260 on glow plug.
try to use Nova #8 glow plug, it will change a lot.
#853
TG777: You suggested to take 3 shims out but I end up taking 2. About idling, engine will idle on starter box for 3 mins before flooding out with this setting LSN: 1 1/4 HSN: 3 1/4. It's hard to restart without taking the plug out to clean out the oil. Temp reading steady at 200F on starter box and right after flood out is 195F. I read the temp every 10 sec since I have nothing to do between heats, just to keep myself occupied
With this setting LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4, engine barely idle more than 30 sec before flooding. If it flood, it's hard to restart unless remove the plug to swing out the fuel in the plug. idling temp is <190F. Tons of fuel coming out of stinger. Oil were dripping down from the stinger and left side of the body after 10 min race.
I tried OS P8 (coldest turbo plug from OS) and nova CT6C, both shared same problem. The plugs didn't show any sign off too lean. I remove it and it's coated with oil, you can swing out a drop or 2 fuel out of the plugs.
I guess my MT12 carb is BAD. But still with all these problems I still turn in lap time very close to my best time on NSR with BRB, just shy of 0.2sec. I'll go out to tune it more if weather permit tomorrow.
With this setting LSN: 1 3/4 turn and HSN: 3 3/4, engine barely idle more than 30 sec before flooding. If it flood, it's hard to restart unless remove the plug to swing out the fuel in the plug. idling temp is <190F. Tons of fuel coming out of stinger. Oil were dripping down from the stinger and left side of the body after 10 min race.
I tried OS P8 (coldest turbo plug from OS) and nova CT6C, both shared same problem. The plugs didn't show any sign off too lean. I remove it and it's coated with oil, you can swing out a drop or 2 fuel out of the plugs.
I guess my MT12 carb is BAD. But still with all these problems I still turn in lap time very close to my best time on NSR with BRB, just shy of 0.2sec. I'll go out to tune it more if weather permit tomorrow.
#854
Originally posted by boner
[I tried OS P8 (coldest turbo plug from OS) and nova CT6C, both shared same problem. The plugs didn't show any sign off too lean. I remove it and it's coated with oil, you can swing out a drop or 2 fuel out of the plugs.
I guess my MT12 carb is BAD. But still with all these problems I still turn in lap time very close to my best time on NSR with BRB, just shy of 0.2sec. I'll go out to tune it more if weather permit tomorrow. [/B]
[I tried OS P8 (coldest turbo plug from OS) and nova CT6C, both shared same problem. The plugs didn't show any sign off too lean. I remove it and it's coated with oil, you can swing out a drop or 2 fuel out of the plugs.
I guess my MT12 carb is BAD. But still with all these problems I still turn in lap time very close to my best time on NSR with BRB, just shy of 0.2sec. I'll go out to tune it more if weather permit tomorrow. [/B]
I don't think is your Nova carb, Your setting sound way too rich. One of mine engine had that ( looks like flame out) "Flame" out problem after 3 min. It was on a large track and happens after end of the straight then into a really slow coner it start to bog.... bog.... before it would accelerate or engine may sometime shut as result. I HAVE TO LEAN THE LSN MORE to solve that problem.
Do the pinch test on Fuel line ( less then 3 sec should die) and also do this after you run the engine for 3 mins( this is to make sure your engine is in full operation temperture) and test it on starter box:
Full throttle, let it idle for 10 sec. then accelerate again and see how clean it will go. You should see white smoke but without any delay on accelerate. Keep leaning the LSN 1/8 each time.
I don't like TC plug unless the humidity is over 85%.
I always use TF 7 when Air temp over 25 celsius.
This engine can reach 120 celsius up to 135 without any problem.
#855
kitracer: I believe I tried leaning the low end to as low as 1 turn from close and show signs of too lean. Well I hope i'll find time today to do more fine tuning on this engine.