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fyrstormer 08-03-2020 07:48 PM

Torque wrench suitable for RC engine head bolts?
 
Generally speaking, I torque bolts on my RC cars until "they feel tight enough", which is okay for most applications, but I notice a subtle difference in the pinch in my engines depending on how much I tighten the cylinder head screws -- if I tighten the cylinder head bolts more, the pinch is reduced slightly, indicating the sleeve is being deformed slightly. This isn't a surprise -- aluminum is easy to bend -- but it's clear I really ought to be tightening my cylinder head bolts to the exact same torque every single time if possible. Unfortunately I haven't found a torque wrench suitable for use with 1/4" hex bits, or that can measure such small torque values. Can anyone suggest a good torque wrench for RC use?

Dave_S 08-03-2020 08:16 PM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...3a706426dc.jpg

dan_vector 08-04-2020 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by fyrstormer (Post 15673001)
Generally speaking, I torque bolts on my RC cars until "they feel tight enough", which is okay for most applications, but I notice a subtle difference in the pinch in my engines depending on how much I tighten the cylinder head screws -- if I tighten the cylinder head bolts more, the pinch is reduced slightly, indicating the sleeve is being deformed slightly. This isn't a surprise -- aluminum is easy to bend -- but it's clear I really ought to be tightening my cylinder head bolts to the exact same torque every single time if possible. Unfortunately I haven't found a torque wrench suitable for use with 1/4" hex bits, or that can measure such small torque values. Can anyone suggest a good torque wrench for RC use?

'kin tight with 4 white knuckles will do it..... done me fine for 25+ years!

A quick google search showed me this as the top item. Dunno if its available nowadays but a start.

Google is usually a good place to start :)


fyrstormer 08-05-2020 01:37 PM

I know from experience that tightening cylinder-head bolts with a white-knuckle grip will damage things.

Google is a good place to get a million different answers. I was hoping to cut through the BS and get suggestions from people who've already figured out the best answer. That's what forums are supposed to be for, after all.

God, $197 for a torque driver? That's insane. I could buy 10 big torque wrenches for that price -- they wouldn't do me any good, but I could buy them anyway. What makes the Sturtevant Richmont torque driver worth $197?

Roelof 08-05-2020 01:54 PM

The same as a Dewalt battery drill compared with a cheap Walmart thing.

Just go to a local tool/machine shop and they highly will have something affordable. I was also given a torque screwdriver but to be hones I never use it. It was very useful with our engines where the head was bolted on the sleeve with the screws in the slleve. There we felt a huge deforming of the sleeve when the bolts were not tightened the same as they were, With the normal concept engines where a brass sleeve is used and the head boltrf onto the crankcase you indeed can feel a difference when rebuilded but that is no issue, when starting up it is gone because the re-seating of the parts on higher temps..

Dave_S 08-05-2020 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by fyrstormer (Post 15673676)
I know from experience that tightening cylinder-head bolts with a white-knuckle grip will damage things.

Google is a good place to get a million different answers. I was hoping to cut through the BS and get suggestions from people who've already figured out the best answer. That's what forums are supposed to be for, after all.

God, $197 for a torque driver? That's insane. I could buy 10 big torque wrenches for that price -- they wouldn't do me any good, but I could buy them anyway. What makes the Sturtevant Richmont torque driver worth $197?

You can try cheaper 1/4 inch pound driver with dial indicator for much cheaper.

Decent torque wrenches are expensive.

I'm not sure if that's good price for that unit.


TeamCarnage 08-05-2020 06:32 PM

I use a Wheeler Engineering "Fat Wrench" for my guns. It would be perfect for our RC cars in a variety places. I think I paid $60 for it at Cabelas.

dan_vector 08-06-2020 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by fyrstormer (Post 15673676)
I know from experience that tightening cylinder-head bolts with a white-knuckle grip will damage things.

Google is a good place to get a million different answers. I was hoping to cut through the BS and get suggestions from people who've already figured out the best answer. That's what forums are supposed to be for, after all.

God, $197 for a torque driver? That's insane. I could buy 10 big torque wrenches for that price -- they wouldn't do me any good, but I could buy them anyway. What makes the Sturtevant Richmont torque driver worth $197?

:lol: It seems that you took my tongue in cheek response literally! Over the years you get a feel for it and know how tight things need to be without having to use a torque wrench for everything. I'm an aircraft engineer and spend most of my days dealing with ensuring things are correctly torqued to very tight specs. I can hand tighten bolts and be so very close to the correct torque when final torque loaded with the correct torque wrench. So for me I don't need to worry. If you have little 'feeling' then knock yourself out.... Not needed in my opinion for the most part, don't over think it. In all the years I've been racing nitro I've never seen anyone use a torque wrench on head bolts - if you can do any damage to those using a normal flat head screw driver or allen driver (not a 1/4 drive 90 degree wrench!) then you are much stronger than I am.

Bud 08-06-2020 11:32 AM

there's inch pound torque wrenches fairly cheap.

Dave_S 08-06-2020 02:15 PM

If you do get one please share what you end up going with. I've been wanting one for my 1/5 engines for a while.

HaulinBass 08-06-2020 07:38 PM

German torque specs for me, goodentight

fyrstormer 08-06-2020 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by dan_vector (Post 15674030)
:lol: It seems that you took my tongue in cheek response literally! Over the years you get a feel for it and know how tight things need to be without having to use a torque wrench for everything. I'm an aircraft engineer and spend most of my days dealing with ensuring things are correctly torqued to very tight specs. I can hand tighten bolts and be so very close to the correct torque when final torque loaded with the correct torque wrench. So for me I don't need to worry. If you have little 'feeling' then knock yourself out.... Not needed in my opinion for the most part, don't over think it. In all the years I've been racing nitro I've never seen anyone use a torque wrench on head bolts - if you can do any damage to those using a normal flat head screw driver or allen driver (not a 1/4 drive 90 degree wrench!) then you are much stronger than I am.

I have a pretty good feel for how tight fasteners can be tightened, but for certain applications where micrometer tolerances matter, I like to be exact.

fyrstormer 08-06-2020 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by TeamCarnage (Post 15673772)
I use a Wheeler Engineering "Fat Wrench" for my guns. It would be perfect for our RC cars in a variety places. I think I paid $60 for it at Cabelas.

Hmm. That looks promising.

VS_Rody 08-17-2020 11:18 PM

I found this one : https://www.worldchampionproducts.co...le-04-2nm.html

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...791a769cde.jpg

Ic27 08-09-2021 08:00 AM

Torque
 
I use this one
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...98e921af1.jpeg

Rich Browne 08-09-2021 12:03 PM

Here's mine
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...d03b16400.jpeg
1/4" drive. MIP bits, straight and ball ends

Ic27 08-10-2021 01:06 PM

How to torque the flywheel
 
Does anyone know what the torque specks for the flywheel crank nut I know you can close it without torque but I want to know if anyone knows the specks in nm

abailey21 08-10-2021 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by fyrstormer (Post 15673676)
I know from experience that tightening cylinder-head bolts with a white-knuckle grip will damage things.

Google is a good place to get a million different answers. I was hoping to cut through the BS and get suggestions from people who've already figured out the best answer. That's what forums are supposed to be for, after all.

God, $197 for a torque driver? That's insane. I could buy 10 big torque wrenches for that price -- they wouldn't do me any good, but I could buy them anyway. What makes the Sturtevant Richmont torque driver worth $197?

Wiha sold one back when Schumacher was in the states. It cost like $29.99 and went to like 25 in/lbs. Couldn't tell you more beyond that, sorry

rc_hydro 08-11-2021 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Ic27 (Post 15813425)
Does anyone know what the torque specks for the flywheel crank nut I know you can close it without torque but I want to know if anyone knows the specks in nm

Don't think I've ever seen anything published specifically for the flywheel nut, but I have seen in a chart Grade 8 Hex bolt torque spec for 1/4-28 thread is 14 NM.


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