The RC Sure-Start Pre-heater
#16
I started to ask a question and thought better about it. But then I thought maybe you could answer it. I don't want this to sound like a flame, maybe there is something I'm not understanding about this heater since I have never seen anyone use one.
Why would this be better to use then a 10$ hairdryer to heat your engine? I've been wanting to buy an engine heater, but can't see how it could work better then the hairdryer I've been using. The hairdryer will get my engine to 200 degrees in about a minute, and it blows air so it heats up the entire car while your using it, if you want it to.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be using a hairdryer for some reason that I don't know, or maybe there are things about the engine heaters that I'm not thinking about that make them a much better way to heat your engine.
Anyway what are the major advantages over using your engine heater compared to a hairdryer?
Why would this be better to use then a 10$ hairdryer to heat your engine? I've been wanting to buy an engine heater, but can't see how it could work better then the hairdryer I've been using. The hairdryer will get my engine to 200 degrees in about a minute, and it blows air so it heats up the entire car while your using it, if you want it to.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be using a hairdryer for some reason that I don't know, or maybe there are things about the engine heaters that I'm not thinking about that make them a much better way to heat your engine.
Anyway what are the major advantages over using your engine heater compared to a hairdryer?
Also when using a hair dryer you cannot direct the heat very well so you end up with uneven heating or nearby parts getting melted ect. Another disadvantage to the hair dryer is it’s almost to fast to heat up the engine and doesn’t give enough time to heat through the entire engine right down to the crank as other parts of your car will start melting before this happens.
Hope that helps
#17
Tech Regular
iTrader: (11)
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 375
From: southeastern ohio
Hi bevofrancis, You are correct a hair dryer will heat up an engine but of course you need mains power to do this and this isn’t always available at the track.
Also when using a hair dryer you cannot direct the heat very well so you end up with uneven heating or nearby parts getting melted ect. Another disadvantage to the hair dryer is it’s almost to fast to heat up the engine and doesn’t give enough time to heat through the entire engine right down to the crank as other parts of your car will start melting before this happens.
Hope that help
Also when using a hair dryer you cannot direct the heat very well so you end up with uneven heating or nearby parts getting melted ect. Another disadvantage to the hair dryer is it’s almost to fast to heat up the engine and doesn’t give enough time to heat through the entire engine right down to the crank as other parts of your car will start melting before this happens.
Hope that help

#18
Tech Addict
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 604
I have seen this product work. I am not just a 'once while racer lucky to get in to B final and must say , it works and why havent I thought about this before.
It is alot portable and easy to use.
well done matey.
If was not running brushless. Would have got it!
moogen
It is alot portable and easy to use.
well done matey.
If was not running brushless. Would have got it!
moogen
#19
yep thats right it runs from a 12v battery or 11.1v lipo pack.
The deluxe model is the one which has thermol control so you can fit and forget.
Posted to the US for the deluxe is £72 which is about $90 US I think at the moment.. The Standard version without thermal control is £52 which is about $70 US.
Thanks
JOhn
The deluxe model is the one which has thermol control so you can fit and forget.
Posted to the US for the deluxe is £72 which is about $90 US I think at the moment.. The Standard version without thermal control is £52 which is about $70 US.
Thanks
JOhn
#20
Thanks Muaythai, where have you seen it if you dont mind me asking?
#21
I started to ask a question and thought better about it. But then I thought maybe you could answer it. I don't want this to sound like a flame, maybe there is something I'm not understanding about this heater since I have never seen anyone use one.
Why would this be better to use then a 10$ hairdryer to heat your engine? I've been wanting to buy an engine heater, but can't see how it could work better then the hairdryer I've been using. The hairdryer will get my engine to 200 degrees in about a minute, and it blows air so it heats up the entire car while your using it, if you want it to.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be using a hairdryer for some reason that I don't know, or maybe there are things about the engine heaters that I'm not thinking about that make them a much better way to heat your engine.
Anyway what are the major advantages over using your engine heater compared to a hairdryer?
Why would this be better to use then a 10$ hairdryer to heat your engine? I've been wanting to buy an engine heater, but can't see how it could work better then the hairdryer I've been using. The hairdryer will get my engine to 200 degrees in about a minute, and it blows air so it heats up the entire car while your using it, if you want it to.
Again, maybe I shouldn't be using a hairdryer for some reason that I don't know, or maybe there are things about the engine heaters that I'm not thinking about that make them a much better way to heat your engine.
Anyway what are the major advantages over using your engine heater compared to a hairdryer?
200 in 1 minute...I think not.
Thx for the info lambchops.
#23
Tech Addict
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 649
Guys, just becareful with these heaters. we have seen them get well over 300 deg. blowing bulbs and hurting motors due to high heat. Hence the new deluxe model, it was on the MaxBashing.com forum, but it was taken down. The owner has stated he has never has to replace a bulb and that is just not true. He may have all this worked out on new models. Check MaxBashing for the real story.
#24
Guys, just becareful with these heaters. we have seen them get well over 300 deg. blowing bulbs and hurting motors due to high heat. Hence the new deluxe model, it was on the MaxBashing.com forum, but it was taken down. The owner has stated he has never has to replace a bulb and that is just not true. He may have all this worked out on new models. Check MaxBashing for the real story.
Excuse me what are you talking about??
my thread is on maxbashing with 10,000 views and 513 replys and there is nothing like this on there, read the 54 pages if you wish.. please check your facts before posting rubbish on here
http://www.maxbashing.com/mbforum/showthread.php?t=7335
#25
Tech Addict
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 609
From: Uk
Would you be kind enough to post these-so called facts. Im a good friend of john's and monitor his threads for him from time to time. And I may be mistaken, but I have never seen anyone complain mention there engines getting damaged or going over 300. Yes I think there have been one or 2 bulbs going. But john, does his very best to send out a new on to the customer asap. I dont mean to be rude, but I think if someone says things like this about a company or product, the least they can do is provide the source.. or quotes.I will guess you will say this (it was on the MaxBashing.com forum, but it was taken down).. As far as im aware and john there has been nothing like what you have been posting on here. I find that very rude, please provide the source or remove your post-which im very very sure is incorrect! Thank You
#27
#28
Tech Addict
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 649
OK, now that I am getting nasty PM's etc. I will explain myself.
I have followed this product since it was first shown on Max Bashing. I am always interested in new products. So I followed it. When the unit first came out, some were having bulbs blow, and some are still if they get grease / oil etc on the bulb. Which is to be expected with this type of bulb. BEFORE THE FORUM WAS CLEANED UP, there were several racers that complained about the bulb blowing and some that had over heated their motors (over 300 deg.)
This is what I read on the forum. There is still some talk about the bulbs and the temps. So what have I said that is not true? Where have I lied? The new "Deluxe" aparently has a temp sensor to avoid this, but it appears the base model that does not have the sensor / regulator whatever will still "overheat".
I do not want to see racers torch a motor or have glass dumped on their car from some of these issues. When LampChops stated on page one "If you look at the testimonials on my website you can see some of the feedback I have had on how the device works and people have been extremely impressed with its performance. And despite selling around 100 units no one has ever purchased a replacement bulb due to failure" That is just no true.
The product may work great, but you should be honest, everyone understands some products go through changes and developement, but do not make claims that are false. I just want those who are buying or have bought this unit to be careful, I would think the manufacturer would be worried as well? I did not post this to start a war, but you guys started PMing me, so lets let it out in the open, not in PM's
Do you really want me to post more facts and emails from one of your customers?
I have followed this product since it was first shown on Max Bashing. I am always interested in new products. So I followed it. When the unit first came out, some were having bulbs blow, and some are still if they get grease / oil etc on the bulb. Which is to be expected with this type of bulb. BEFORE THE FORUM WAS CLEANED UP, there were several racers that complained about the bulb blowing and some that had over heated their motors (over 300 deg.)
This is what I read on the forum. There is still some talk about the bulbs and the temps. So what have I said that is not true? Where have I lied? The new "Deluxe" aparently has a temp sensor to avoid this, but it appears the base model that does not have the sensor / regulator whatever will still "overheat".
I do not want to see racers torch a motor or have glass dumped on their car from some of these issues. When LampChops stated on page one "If you look at the testimonials on my website you can see some of the feedback I have had on how the device works and people have been extremely impressed with its performance. And despite selling around 100 units no one has ever purchased a replacement bulb due to failure" That is just no true.
The product may work great, but you should be honest, everyone understands some products go through changes and developement, but do not make claims that are false. I just want those who are buying or have bought this unit to be careful, I would think the manufacturer would be worried as well? I did not post this to start a war, but you guys started PMing me, so lets let it out in the open, not in PM's
Do you really want me to post more facts and emails from one of your customers?
#30
OK, now that I am getting nasty PM's etc. I will explain myself.
I have followed this product since it was first shown on Max Bashing. I am always interested in new products. So I followed it. When the unit first came out, some were having bulbs blow, and some are still if they get grease / oil etc on the bulb. Which is to be expected with this type of bulb. BEFORE THE FORUM WAS CLEANED UP, there were several racers that complained about the bulb blowing and some that had over heated their motors (over 300 deg.)
This is what I read on the forum. There is still some talk about the bulbs and the temps. So what have I said that is not true? Where have I lied? The new "Deluxe" aparently has a temp sensor to avoid this, but it appears the base model that does not have the sensor / regulator whatever will still "overheat".
I do not want to see racers torch a motor or have glass dumped on their car from some of these issues. When LampChops stated on page one "If you look at the testimonials on my website you can see some of the feedback I have had on how the device works and people have been extremely impressed with its performance. And despite selling around 100 units no one has ever purchased a replacement bulb due to failure" That is just no true.
The product may work great, but you should be honest, everyone understands some products go through changes and developement, but do not make claims that are false. I just want those who are buying or have bought this unit to be careful, I would think the manufacturer would be worried as well? I did not post this to start a war, but you guys started PMing me, so lets let it out in the open, not in PM's
Do you really want me to post more facts and emails from one of your customers?
I have followed this product since it was first shown on Max Bashing. I am always interested in new products. So I followed it. When the unit first came out, some were having bulbs blow, and some are still if they get grease / oil etc on the bulb. Which is to be expected with this type of bulb. BEFORE THE FORUM WAS CLEANED UP, there were several racers that complained about the bulb blowing and some that had over heated their motors (over 300 deg.)
This is what I read on the forum. There is still some talk about the bulbs and the temps. So what have I said that is not true? Where have I lied? The new "Deluxe" aparently has a temp sensor to avoid this, but it appears the base model that does not have the sensor / regulator whatever will still "overheat".
I do not want to see racers torch a motor or have glass dumped on their car from some of these issues. When LampChops stated on page one "If you look at the testimonials on my website you can see some of the feedback I have had on how the device works and people have been extremely impressed with its performance. And despite selling around 100 units no one has ever purchased a replacement bulb due to failure" That is just no true.
The product may work great, but you should be honest, everyone understands some products go through changes and developement, but do not make claims that are false. I just want those who are buying or have bought this unit to be careful, I would think the manufacturer would be worried as well? I did not post this to start a war, but you guys started PMing me, so lets let it out in the open, not in PM's
Do you really want me to post more facts and emails from one of your customers?
I hope no one has sent you nasty Pm's I have asked where you have seen my products that was all, I certainly don’t want to get in to a forum battle on here your post has already done damage to this thread for no good reason.
The standard Sure-Start doesn’t have a thermal cutoff this is true and in the provided instructions its states it must not be left unattended as yes if left for 20 - 30 minutes its possible it could over heat an engine and cause damage. This is a heating device not a toy and must be treated with some respect, you wouldn’t put a heat gun on your engine and walk away would you?
As for bulbs blowing yes in the early days there were 2 - 3 failures no more and I sent out free replacements, I standby what I said no one has ever PURCHASED a new replacement bulb.
I have never had any emails sent to me regarding issues with overheating and damaged customer engines, so I can say hand on heart post what you have as it was never brought to my attention and if there was an issue I am concerned and what to know about it.
The only possible thing I can think your referring too was in the very first batch of units sent out where a customer tested the sure-start and left it turned on for 20 – 30 mins on the high setting on purpose to see what would happen on an old engine.. There was an issue here with the internal bulb retainer melting a little, this was addressed with a change to bulb retaining method and there has been no further reported problems.




