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Rcrenew 06-28-2010 03:27 PM

RcRenew.com engine resizing and epoxy crank re-filling
 
Hello Racers, Rcrenew.com website is now up! Concentrating on the "racers" needs we offer .21 nitro engine re-sizing and Re-filling crankshafts where the factory epoxy has come loose. We have a 1 day turn around time on our services to get you back and running fast!

Please visit the Website RcRenew.com

Regards,

Rcrenew

rageworks 06-28-2010 07:35 PM

What product are you using to re-fill crankshafts?

Kalgard Racing 06-28-2010 07:40 PM

Good luck with the new venture. What type of tooling are you using to pinch?

Rcrenew 06-28-2010 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by rageworks (Post 7602735)
What product are you using to re-fill crankshafts?

We use shin etsu or TBI for the crank fill. Both have proven to be very durable and last a long time (more than the life of the engine)and be more more chemical resistant than the factory fill used in a lot of the engines.

Thanks,

RcRenew

Rcrenew 06-28-2010 08:54 PM

The equipment we use is a very high quality and give outstanding results in performance and longetivity. Like everything there are different ways to do things and Im sure most everyone in the business is doing it a different way. But for us especially have tried a lot of services ourselves in the past the results with out work have been great.

Thanks,
Rcrenew

mblgjr 06-28-2010 09:04 PM

I'll vouch for the ShinEtsu silicone. It's very durable if applied properly :nod:

dreaux 06-29-2010 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Rcrenew (Post 7603139)
The equipment we use is a very high quality and give outstanding results in performance and longetivity. Like everything there are different ways to do things and Im sure most everyone in the business is doing it a different way. But for us especially have tried a lot of services ourselves in the past the results with out work have been great.

Thanks,
Rcrenew

This doesn't really answer the question much.

rageworks 06-29-2010 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Rcrenew (Post 7603139)
The equipment we use is a very high quality and give outstanding results in performance and longetivity. Like everything there are different ways to do things and Im sure most everyone in the business is doing it a different way. But for us especially have tried a lot of services ourselves in the past the results with out work have been great.

Thanks,
Rcrenew

Come on man, your going to have to post some pics
of your sleeve re-sizing equipment if you want to get
any customers on this site. A pipe clamp or lathe chuck
doesn't cut it around here. There are pros who do p/s
re-sizing properly on here already.

Rcrenew 06-29-2010 12:48 PM

Ther are pics on my site. but as you know you will not be able to see how good a resize is by a picture? The picture will shoe how it looks clean, but all the measurement and the actual resizing will not be visable in a picture?

And I just want to say this, I personally have been in the hobby 20 years. I got layed off 6 months ago and was the soul provider for may wife and family. I am just trying to make ends meet. And provide and quality, honest service.

I know there are others who do this work, I am not trying nor will I ever say anything bad about others work. BUt please guys, does it mean because there are others out there doing it that I cant offer the service too?

I am just a Racer who loves the hobby and who is trying to make ends meet.

And i have seen the discussions or more like arguments on what equipment and method is better.. I really dont want to get involved in all that. And as far as the equipment goes. Doesnt what really matters is the end result? If you have good results and longetivity thhats whats important.

I am just on here to offer my services, If you already are happy with some else's service then by all means keep using them. BUt if your not then our service is available.


Thanks, Lance

houston 06-29-2010 03:10 PM

silicone filled cranks?

i noticed it says you can fill a crank in 1 day and return ship?

blktransam 06-29-2010 03:46 PM

whers does osrocket...or rayaracing "show" their equipment?...my engine guys AD motor workz uses the raya racing equipment and its a press with some dies...give this guy a break if u dont want to use him then so be it but to come here and demand photos of his equipment is just dumb...

jammin32j 06-29-2010 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Rcrenew (Post 7605981)
Ther are pics on my site. but as you know you will not be able to see how good a resize is by a picture? The picture will shoe how it looks clean, but all the measurement and the actual resizing will not be visable in a picture?

And I just want to say this, I personally have been in the hobby 20 years. I got layed off 6 months ago and was the soul provider for may wife and family. I am just trying to make ends meet. And provide and quality, honest service.

I know there are others who do this work, I am not trying nor will I ever say anything bad about others work. BUt please guys, does it mean because there are others out there doing it that I cant offer the service too?

I am just a Racer who loves the hobby and who is trying to make ends meet.

And i have seen the discussions or more like arguments on what equipment and method is better.. I really dont want to get involved in all that. And as far as the equipment goes. Doesnt what really matters is the end result? If you have good results and longetivity thhats whats important.

I am just on here to offer my services, If you already are happy with some else's service then by all means keep using them. BUt if your not then our service is available.


Thanks, Lance

I know what you mean buddy. Times are tough right now and I think if you can offer a service of good quality and price then you should go for it. We can always use more service providers and manufactures. That gives us the consumer a choice. This hobby would be boring without choices. Good luck and when I need a sleeve resized or a crank filled I'll look you up.

Kalgard Racing 06-29-2010 04:03 PM

I understand why some asre asking what equipment. We just want to know how this company is doing it? It would help him to post a pic of the tooling to ease some minds and sell his services. I am NOT asking to put down this new company or anything, but like some said, the Ole Pipe Clamp method is not what I would want used.

I wish this new company the best and I hope he does well. The economy sucks and it is tough for many of out there including us. Questions should never be construde as "blasting" a company, but I agree those questioned can be a asked in a more polite manner.

My only suggestion to Renew would be for them to be as forth coming as possible to build the trust of their customers and they will do great.


Again, good luck to RenewRC.

Rcrenew 06-29-2010 04:53 PM

Thank's guys for your support I appreciate it. This is a great site with a lot of great people on here.

We aslo mention on our website to Beware of the $10 clamp. WE have seen this ruin many engines and even inspected one our self and its a total joke. So no, we are not using any clamps or cheap methods. Its just out of respect to the other guys doing this LONG before we have that WE are not posting pics of our method. Because we dont see them posting pics. Thats all, We are just trying to be courteous and good people.

Thanks, Lance

rageworks 06-29-2010 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7606629)
whers does osrocket...or rayaracing "show" their equipment?...my engine guys AD motor workz uses the raya racing equipment and its a press with some dies...give this guy a break if u dont want to use him then so be it but to come here and demand photos of his equipment is just dumb...

As a matter of fact, one of the above mentioned did show
me the equipment he uses to do a proper p/s resizing.
That is why he has got all my business. When it comes down
to me spending my hard earned money, I want to know the service
i'm paying for is being done properly. He had no problems with my
straight foward questions and wasn't evasive about showing me
the equipment he uses.
I'm sorry if I offened anyone, I know my words may come
off as being a little rough to some of the limp wristed members
on here.

KThatcher 06-29-2010 05:50 PM

Lance is the man!!!

I have never seen him have an engine problem at a race... Last time I saw you at Rev you were running one of your werks engines that you re-sized right?? that thing looked like it was running great!

Rcrenew 06-29-2010 06:14 PM

Thanks Kevin, Yes I resized both the ones I am racing now. I just finsihed up Kaulin Halls Ws7 today. See ya at the races!

Thanks,

Lance
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 06-30-2010 09:22 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Kaulin here is your WS7 Set you sent in I resized yesterday

ThanksYour business is greatly appreciated,

Lance

" Kaulin" 06-30-2010 10:30 AM

Hey did you PINCH Me?
 

Originally Posted by Rcrenew (Post 7610324)
Kaulin here is your WS7 Set you sent in I resized yesterday

ThanksYour business is greatly appreciated,

Lance


Hey Lance Thanks a bunch, I cant wait to get it. The service you did on our Os Speed is great it has made a believer out of my Dad which is hard to do, but he's seen the light and if it saves us a couple of bucks we are all over it. By the way that OS has three races on it since you did your magic.Keep up the good work . Stay Fast ..Kaulin Hall

SteveP 06-30-2010 11:14 AM

I don't know where this notion that "showing" your equipment is going to make the difference between the average person knowing that one is a quality service and others are not. Anything more complex than a hose clamp may look impressive, but until you've tried all the various methods and know for sure that one method is better than the other, it's irrelevant. Not to mention that the method itself may be a closely guarded process and the key to that service's effectiveness. Which begs the question, why would anyone expect a service to reveal this? Even if the person asking is a skilled machinist and metallurgist, a picture will not tell them anything about the quality and effectiveness of the service. So it's even more pointless to reveal it to those that are completely unqualified. If you have concerns because it's a new service, get feedback from customers. If it's all coming up roses, that tells you a lot more about where to spend your money than a picture of a tool.

I will offer this much - I'd rather the sleeve not be polished to improve it's appearance. It's only cosmetic and can compromise engine performance in two ways (not a lot, but I'm picky). A polished surface is "sticky" and will compromise the atomization of the air/fuel mixture as it passes through the ports. Additionally, it reduces the diameter of the sleeve ever so slightly. It's been my experience that engines with a tight fitting sleeve ALWAYS run better than an engine with a sleeve that easily slides into the engine block. Without getting into the theories of why, I've seen the positive effects of a tight sleeve on hundreds of engines and every one of them has run slightly better as a result. It makes maintenance a little harder because the sleeve isn't as easily removed, but when you see this in a engine, it's a keeper. Not crazy tight, but snug.

I'd actually like to see if some form or knurling and resizing the outside of the sleeve would have an even more positive effect than doing nothing. The pinching process often involves clamping down on the sleeve, which further reduces its OD, so resizing the outside seems that it would pay some benefit. Ultimately this is an exercise in extending the life of the engine as inexpensively as possible, so this may not make sense in the final analysis due to increased cost, but suffice it to say, I would at least prefer no polishing of the sleeve.

Best of luck with your service and kudos for doing what you can for your family.

airsiler 06-30-2010 12:02 PM

Being as he is from the Rev area I think I have a good idea what system he is using. If its the one I am thinking of I have the same unit and it works great have pinched 5 of my personal sleeves with very good results. I have had a Plus 4 sized with Rays equipment before and I find no difference so far in the final outcome. Good luck with your new business wish you the best.

Rcrenew 06-30-2010 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by SteveP (Post 7610780)
I don't know where this notion that "showing" your equipment is going to make the difference between the average person knowing that one is a quality service and others are not. Anything more complex than a hose clamp may look impressive, but until you've tried all the various methods and know for sure that one method is better than the other, it's irrelevant. Not to mention that the method itself may be a closely guarded process and the key to that service's effectiveness. Which begs the question, why would anyone expect a service to reveal this? Even if the person asking is a skilled machinist and metallurgist, a picture will not tell them anything about the quality and effectiveness of the service. So it's even more pointless to reveal it to those that are completely unqualified. If you have concerns because it's a new service, get feedback from customers. If it's all coming up roses, that tells you a lot more about where to spend your money than a picture of a tool.

I will offer this much - I'd rather the sleeve not be polished to improve it's appearance. It's only cosmetic and can compromise engine performance in two ways (not a lot, but I'm picky). A polished surface is "sticky" and will compromise the atomization of the air/fuel mixture as it passes through the ports. Additionally, it reduces the diameter of the sleeve ever so slightly. It's been my experience that engines with a tight fitting sleeve ALWAYS run better than an engine with a sleeve that easily slides into the engine block. Without getting into the theories of why, I've seen the positive effects of a tight sleeve on hundreds of engines and every one of them has run slightly better as a result. It makes maintenance a little harder because the sleeve isn't as easily removed, but when you see this in a engine, it's a keeper. Not crazy tight, but snug.

I'd actually like to see if some form or knurling and resizing the outside of the sleeve would have an even more positive effect than doing nothing. The pinching process often involves clamping down on the sleeve, which further reduces its OD, so resizing the outside seems that it would pay some benefit. Ultimately this is an exercise in extending the life of the engine as inexpensively as possible, so this may not make sense in the final analysis due to increased cost, but suffice it to say, I would at least prefer no polishing of the sleeve.

Best of luck with your service and kudos for doing what you can for your family.

Thanks so much for the comments. I have never heard of anyone not wanting the sleeve polished but,it would be easy enough to give that option to the customer.

I will add the option on my order form so customers can choose whether or not they want the sleeve polished. Thanks for the suggestion.

Thanks,

Lance
Rcrenew.com

underway 06-30-2010 01:35 PM

Pics of epoxy cranks?

Rcrenew 06-30-2010 03:52 PM

I will try to get some crank pics up in the next couple days.


Thanks,

Lance
Rcrenew.com

chopperjames619 07-03-2010 12:41 PM

Nova .21
 
Hey I sent my novarossi .21 out for a resize and epoxy fill yesterday cant wait to see what you can do, Great price! Thanks again Lance.

markr04 07-03-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by SteveP (Post 7610780)
I don't know where this notion that "showing" your equipment is going to make the difference between the average person knowing that one is a quality service and others are not.

The notion comes from the fact that dozens of fly-by-night startups have and still are pinching sleeves with clamps.

Most people will gladly disclose that they're using Ray's tooling, if that's the case. People offering such a service will not gladly disclose that they're using a clamp.

The questions about the tooling are legit. It's evident that people are more confident in someone who is using a trusted system than someone who is not. That applies to a whole lot of things in life, not just R/C.

Neu_Racer 07-03-2010 06:25 PM

I remember there was someone in the FS threads offering a $10 pinching service or something and he wouldn't reveal his methods either and was blasted for it. Haven't seen him since really.

I am not a nitro guy so I don't care either way but I do agree that being as transparent as possible is going to help. Especially on the net as there are tons of sucky people out there wanting to take advantage of someone looking for a good deal.

Truly wish you the best!

Rcrenew 07-04-2010 10:00 AM

The only reason, I was not "revealing" what Tools We used what purely out of respect for the guys doing this LONG before we have. Thats all. I felt like it would be wrong as "us" the new guys to reveal What may be trade secrets to the service. AS when we looked we could not find anyone who showed exactly what or how they were doing it. So in our minds ,our thought were HMM,,,,there must be some reason for this??


Nothing here to hide guys, Just trying to be respectful. but I did find Rayaracing pictures on the web of his equipment after gettting all the comments, and If he has pictures of it then obviously he's OK with letting people know about what he uses so then I would not be doing anything wrong by revealing we use the same equipment Rayaracing does.

Thanks guys for all the comments and suggestions. Ray does a great job and thats why we picked out of every other method to use his method. Its our opinion the best in the business. Mainly started doing this for myself and my fellow racers, but expanded due to the great results and increasing demand.

Thanks,

Lance
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 07-04-2010 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by chopperjames619 (Post 7623773)
Hey I sent my novarossi .21 out for a resize and epoxy fill yesterday cant wait to see what you can do, Great price! Thanks again Lance.

Thanks James! I really appreciate the business. I will post pics of the P/S and cranks when I am done with it. Some guys were asking for some crank fill pics on here.

Your business is greatly appreciated,

Lance
RcRenew.com

CKmaxx 07-04-2010 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by blktransam (Post 7606629)
whers does osrocket...or rayaracing "show" their equipment?...my engine guys AD motor workz uses the raya racing equipment and its a press with some dies...give this guy a break if u dont want to use him then so be it but to come here and demand photos of his equipment is just dumb...



+1

McFly505 07-04-2010 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Rcrenew (Post 7626634)
The only reason, I was not "revealing" what Tools We used what purely out of respect for the guys doing this LONG before we have. Thats all. I felt like it would be wrong as "us" the new guys to reveal What may be trade secrets to the service. AS when we looked we could not find anyone who showed exactly what or how they were doing it. So in our minds ,our thought were HMM,,,,there must be some reason for this??


Nothing here to hide guys, Just trying to be respectful. but I did find Rayaracing pictures on the web of his equipment after gettting all the comments, and If he has pictures of it then obviously he's OK with letting people know about what he uses so then I would not be doing anything wrong by revealing we use the same equipment Rayaracing does.

Thanks guys for all the comments and suggestions. Ray does a great job and thats why we picked out of every other method to use his method. Its our opinion the best in the business. Mainly started doing this for myself and my fellow racers, but expanded due to the great results and increasing demand.

Thanks,

Lance
RcRenew.com

Absolutely nothing wrong with letting people know that you use the best re-sizing equipment in the business.

Appears that you and I are in the same boat.
I bought RayA tooling to do my own stuff, but when word got out that I had it, it was ON!!

Props to you on having the stones to venture out on your own!!

Good luck to ya!

Rcrenew 07-04-2010 11:46 AM

Thanks guys , We have had xlnt results with the engines we have done and I race with and see a lot of the guys at the races That I provide my service too, So Believe me, I would hear about it if it wasnt good. So I make sure its a top notch service.

Have a great 4th of july guys!!

Thanks and take care,

Lance
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 07-05-2010 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by chopperjames619 (Post 7623773)
Hey I sent my novarossi .21 out for a resize and epoxy fill yesterday cant wait to see what you can do, Great price! Thanks again Lance.



Got your nova parts this morning, I will ship them out tomorrow , the epoxy needs to cure for 24 hours before I can ship it, then Wait till the 8th before you run it so the crank can cure totally. Will post pics today.

Thanks, your business is appreciated

Lance
Rcrenew.com

" Kaulin" 07-05-2010 12:53 PM

RC RENEWED!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey got my RB back we put it in and fired it up ,thanks for taking care of the small detail of completely going over my motor . My Dad sent you the whole motor , good thing because the case was broke thanks for the heads up and the new case is great thanks its like a new motor. We mounted it up fired right up just doing some break in and we'll see you out there. Thanks this will be the in my Dads buggy look out turnmarshalls!!!
Stay Fast !,,Kaulin Hall


Going the extra mile thanks man!!!

Rcrenew 07-05-2010 07:56 PM

No problem Kaulin!! Hope Vance likes it, And thanks again , If you guys need anything else just let me know.

Lance
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 07-05-2010 08:03 PM

3 Attachment(s)

Originally Posted by chopperjames619 (Post 7623773)
Hey I sent my novarossi .21 out for a resize and epoxy fill yesterday cant wait to see what you can do, Great price! Thanks again Lance.

Here is your piston/sleeve and your crank. I will get it out tomorrow and e-mail you the usps tracking number. Thanks again for the business!

Lance,
RcRenew.com

dsl 07-06-2010 11:44 AM

What benefits will I see from a filled crank on a Novarossi Plus 4 ?

Rcrenew 07-06-2010 02:17 PM

The epoxy creates a smooth "ramp" for the air/fuel mixture to flow on. The benefits are not huge but they are there. Thus why a lot of full modded and top of the line engines have it. Where every bit of efficiency and power is wanted.

Thanks,

Lance
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 07-07-2010 08:32 AM

J Kim, I received your order. I will e-mail you tracking when it goes out.
Thanks so much for your business!

Lance,
RcRenew.com

Rcrenew 07-07-2010 02:16 PM

J Kim your order has shipped.

Tracking was e-mailed to you.

Thanks for your business!

Lance,
RcRenew.com


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