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how does the Odonnel 99 plug compare to a 100 plug?
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99's are harder to tune, they are still decent though ;)
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OD99's are a good plug, Just a bit harder to find a good tune. I have been using the OD 100 in my Nova N21R 3 Port. Just ran a Club Race this past Saturday. Used the 9886 Pipe, Jammin Smooth Round Header, and OD 100 Plug. After a 5min Qual, I had over half a tank left. Timed a few tanks this past sunday, Ran out of fuel @ 11:11, 11:16, and 11:21. :D
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I just recently picked up a p5xlt. I run a X2 Truggy and am looking for pipe and header combo's along with clutch spring advice. I have read all the pages and I haven't seen much about what springs to run.
I plan on running a 97T glow plug, and I have few JP pipes an header to choose from ie. JP1 and JP3 but i'm looking to buy the BEST header and pipe combo. I race a in California so i'm at sea level. The track I normally run at is medium in size with not a real long straight. I'm looking for proven combo's please no guessing. what do you guys suggest and why is important to me. This is my first Rossi and hope it is the first of many, I have heard alot of good thing, I hope the are all true. Thanks for the help in advance. Eric |
I'd go with the Nova 9886/ Ofna 086 and 41021 Header on the Nova Pipe or Jammin Smooth Round Header on the Ofna Pipe. Just my opinion!
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I almost forgot I was reading in past pages about using the crank out of a 21-4. Does that work w/o any mods and what were the results?
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Originally Posted by "Smiley"
(Post 6878222)
OD99's are a good plug, Just a bit harder to find a good tune. I have been using the OD 100 in my Nova N21R 3 Port. Just ran a Club Race this past Saturday. Used the 9886 Pipe, Jammin Smooth Round Header, and OD 100 Plug. After a 5min Qual, I had over half a tank left. Timed a few tanks this past sunday, Ran out of fuel @ 11:11, 11:16, and 11:21. :D
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Originally Posted by 3rici985
(Post 6878226)
I just recently picked up a p5xlt. I run a X2 Truggy and am looking for pipe and header combo's along with clutch spring advice. I have read all the pages and I haven't seen much about what springs to run.
I plan on running a 97T glow plug, and I have few JP pipes an header to choose from ie. JP1 and JP3 but i'm looking to buy the BEST header and pipe combo. I race a in California so i'm at sea level. The track I normally run at is medium in size with not a real long straight. I'm looking for proven combo's please no guessing. what do you guys suggest and why is important to me. This is my first Rossi and hope it is the first of many, I have heard alot of good thing, I hope the are all true. Thanks for the help in advance. Eric |
Originally Posted by 3rici985
(Post 6878262)
I almost forgot I was reading in past pages about using the crank out of a 21-4. Does that work w/o any mods and what were the results?
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Originally Posted by houston
(Post 6878280)
price no option?
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9853 short round header
If the track is medium sized, I would use a 9853ss with the short round header on the p5.
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Originally Posted by merdith6
(Post 6878726)
If the track is medium sized, I would use a 9853ss with the short round header on the p5.
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hmm
What are the differences between the short round and square headers? I used the square one back in the day with the 9886pipe, but finally got a 9853 and loved it, but with the round header. Honestly I really don't know what the differences are between those two headers. I know they are both high speed headers right? Penny for ur thoughts.....
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Originally Posted by merdith6
(Post 6879592)
What are the differences between the short round and square headers? I used the square one back in the day with the 9886pipe, but finally got a 9853 and loved it, but with the round header. Honestly I really don't know what the differences are between those two headers. I know they are both high speed headers right? Penny for ur thoughts.....
Now where's my penny?? LOL |
The 41005 is a shorter header and combined with the 86 series pipes, the overall length is too short for the engine to scavage properly making it feel very flat on bottom or what can be described as a lean bog or clutch bog. The shorter 41005 header combined with the longer 9853 tuned section or the longer 41021 header with the shorter 9886 tuned section will have a little different running characteristics but because the overall pipe lenghts are similar, they will both tune and perform pretty well. It will be a personal preferance as to what you prefer for overall power delivery characteristics.
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what about a 41021 with a 9853 ? what would that combo be like on a PX5XL?
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Originally Posted by OfnaJoe
(Post 6881419)
what about a 41021 with a 9853 ? what would that combo be like on a PX5XL?
All I can say is I have had about 20 people or more tell me thanks for recommending the 9853ss/41005 combo ;-) |
i have the RB version of that header (41005)do you know if it is the same
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ahhhh
thanks guys. that makes sense. So the bent short header gives it more top end and balances out the mid pipe, while the 86 pipe likes the round headers. Great stuff. I have all of that, just used in the wrong combo. thanks again.....
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Originally Posted by houston
(Post 6881523)
Lots of bottom to mid joe
All I can say is I have had about 20 people or more tell me thanks for recommending the 9853ss/41005 combo ;-) Should be more top, right? I don't need top, but will see what it does:tire: |
Clutch springs... Anyone have a clutch suggestion for the p5xlt motor in a truggy. I think I have narrowed found my pipe and header combo thanks to everyone's input especially Huston:), but am still looking for a direction to go clutch spring wise. I use a all mugen clutch, if that has any affect of what springs to use.
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I would start with 1.0 springs and stock Mugen shoes, if you want more punch and the track can handle the power go to a 1.1 spring, and I have been using Dynamite Max Life shoes the past 2 gals and they still look and work like new so I might not use Mugen shoes anymore!
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Originally Posted by OfnaJoe
(Post 6881978)
I would start with 1.0 springs and stock Mugen shoes, if you want more punch and the track can handle the power go to a 1.1 spring, and I have been using Dynamite Max Life shoes the past 2 gals and they still look and work like new so I might not use Mugen shoes anymore!
definitely worth a shot ;) |
Mugen
Mugen has the best clutch setup in the business, in my opinion. I like their carbon black clutch shoes with the 1.0 springs with most every engine, but the p5 has so much torque the alluminum shoes are overkill. the carbon shoes last forever and don't eat into the clutch bell and overheat the springs like the all ones do...Just try it, and you will see. I use the mugen shoes on every car and clutch setup with kyosho 1.0 springs, but if you have a mugen setup use all mugen stuff....
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pipe
How is the dynamite 086 pipe on the new p5 it has the stock round header?
i also have a few jammin round headers.??or would the jp 4 be better. heres what i have JP2 jp4 dynamite 086 |
was wondering if a Crono RS5 a P5 platform whats the different and are they any good.
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Originally Posted by PowerHouse
(Post 6845925)
The FMS is a wicked piece but nothing alittle mod work on the P5 can't fix. The milage are pretty comparable on both engines but that will also depend on all the variables that go into the engines overall performance ie: pipe, tune, clutching, gearing, conditions, weight of vehicle, throttle discipline etc. For what you would pay for a stock FMS, you can have my full race ported version of the P5 which will run very strong, get over 10 minutes with the proper setup and will last into the 10+ gallon range if taken care of properly.
average runtime for a FMS with proper setup |
monty..did you see my question about the 41005 header? i have the Rb version..do you know if they are the same. :)
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Originally Posted by bigjayjay1
(Post 6883472)
was wondering if a Crono RS5 a P5 platform whats the different and are they any good.
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Originally Posted by r1harper
(Post 6884227)
monty..did you see my question about the 41005 header? i have the Rb version..do you know if they are the same. :)
i am sure it is similar ;) |
last year i ran a 08 plus 4 with 9901 40210 what ever header the team told me to run. the to me did not seem to have alot bottom just a lil mid and never lit on fire and took of.
what dose the plus4c do better and if i dont run that 9901 pipe what can i run i need some motor if i dont have more then i need i stand on the trigger and my millage gose out the door any help would be great. also i found that the standered plug made more power any reason why? is the p5 better then the plus 4c? |
Originally Posted by porkchop
(Post 6884717)
last year i ran a 08 plus 4 with 9901 40210 what ever header the team told me to run. the to me did not seem to have alot bottom just a lil mid and never lit on fire and took of.
what dose the plus4c do better and if i dont run that 9901 pipe what can i run i need some motor if i dont have more then i need i stand on the trigger and my millage gose out the door any help would be great. also i found that the standered plug made more power any reason why? is the p5 better then the plus 4c? call me and we can BS ;) not right now though ;) |
Originally Posted by houston
(Post 6884739)
i dont find the 9901 pipe impressive in performance by any means charles .
call me and we can BS ;) not right now though ;) yeah the 9901 pipe almost led to me looking at other options but i have faith in the motors. start the year of right new car new motors now would the dang ups man show up |
Originally Posted by houston
(Post 6755012)
ENGINE RUN IN
use a heat gun to heat to 200 before you start at each step You will have to play with the needles a little bit and cover the head of your engine with a pit rag (or similar) do 3 heat cycles within the first tank at 190-210 degrees (3-5 min. intervals), at idle on stand? yes. then run it around on the ground gently only slightly rich keeping the temp between 210-230 (monitoring temps frequently ) careful not to let the engine get into its powerband , do this for about 1 full tank at a time but do not let it run out of fuel .do this for 3 tanks (cooling in between tanks), quarter throttle or so with short blips of more (full) throttle .. not fast? slow pulls on the throttle in 30-40ft bursts . then richen the needles a bit and run it about 190-210 on the track for 3 straight tanks monitoring temps frequently(every 2 laps) for the first couple of minutes until the engine runs at a consistent temp and feel.(start to lean out slowly)when you get it tuned in to where its not totally screaming but you have enough power to make the jumps with a slight bog at full throttle and runs at about 210-230, let it cool (check the plug at this point), what am I looking for exactly on the plug ? make sure the plug still glows and looks new, if it looks all distorted pull it out as you dont want a plug filament to go through the engine go out and run the rest of the gallon til the engine richens up dramatically on its own and the temp drops instantly (i call it "dropping its nuts"). this process sometimes takes more than a full gallon .hope this helps ya , pretty detailed I have had great success with this method and longevity , monty www.houstonsengineservice.com What do you mean by "do 3 heat cycles with in the first tank" |
Just speaking from what I've seen houston post. He means 3 times during the first tank get the mtr running at the temps he said idle for a bit. Then cut he mtr off cool down to ambient temp. 5-7 minutes of idle time. That's what I do anyways. Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by zixxer
(Post 6888353)
Just speaking from what I've seen houston post. He means 3 times during the first tank get the mtr running at the temps he said idle for a bit. Then cut he mtr off cool down to ambient temp. 5-7 minutes of idle time. That's what I do anyways. Hope that helps.
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So picked up a 21-4C, so far real nice sounding motor. Quick question, after break in I flushed the motor, but the carb doesn't seem to want to re-seat. It sits on the O-ring around the carb throat. I seem to remember when I moved it earlier it wasn't sitting on the O-Ring. So question is... O-Ring out or should it be down the throat a bit?
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Originally Posted by Stirex
(Post 6890018)
So picked up a 21-4C, so far real nice sounding motor. Quick question, after break in I flushed the motor, but the carb doesn't seem to want to re-seat. It sits on the O-ring around the carb throat. I seem to remember when I moved it earlier it wasn't sitting on the O-Ring. So question is... O-Ring out or should it be down the throat a bit?
btw , did you happen to flush the engine with some kind of cleaner and swell the oring? :confused: |
So the O-Ring shouldnt be visible? No I used fuel, then some ARO to lube the bearings
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Alright, so guess its seated properly now, can't see it between it and the carb body... Just needed a little more finessing then I was giving it :)
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