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OfnaJoe 01-19-2010 03:01 PM

how does the Odonnel 99 plug compare to a 100 plug?

Trevor Williams 01-19-2010 06:27 PM

99's are harder to tune, they are still decent though ;)

"Smiley" 01-19-2010 07:22 PM

OD99's are a good plug, Just a bit harder to find a good tune. I have been using the OD 100 in my Nova N21R 3 Port. Just ran a Club Race this past Saturday. Used the 9886 Pipe, Jammin Smooth Round Header, and OD 100 Plug. After a 5min Qual, I had over half a tank left. Timed a few tanks this past sunday, Ran out of fuel @ 11:11, 11:16, and 11:21. :D

3rici985 01-19-2010 07:23 PM

I just recently picked up a p5xlt. I run a X2 Truggy and am looking for pipe and header combo's along with clutch spring advice. I have read all the pages and I haven't seen much about what springs to run.

I plan on running a 97T glow plug, and I have few JP pipes an header to choose from ie. JP1 and JP3 but i'm looking to buy the BEST header and pipe combo. I race a in California so i'm at sea level. The track I normally run at is medium in size with not a real long straight. I'm looking for proven combo's please no guessing. what do you guys suggest and why is important to me. This is my first Rossi and hope it is the first of many, I have heard alot of good thing, I hope the are all true.

Thanks for the help in advance.

Eric

"Smiley" 01-19-2010 07:26 PM

I'd go with the Nova 9886/ Ofna 086 and 41021 Header on the Nova Pipe or Jammin Smooth Round Header on the Ofna Pipe. Just my opinion!

3rici985 01-19-2010 07:28 PM

I almost forgot I was reading in past pages about using the crank out of a 21-4. Does that work w/o any mods and what were the results?

houston 01-19-2010 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by "Smiley" (Post 6878222)
OD99's are a good plug, Just a bit harder to find a good tune. I have been using the OD 100 in my Nova N21R 3 Port. Just ran a Club Race this past Saturday. Used the 9886 Pipe, Jammin Smooth Round Header, and OD 100 Plug. After a 5min Qual, I had over half a tank left. Timed a few tanks this past sunday, Ran out of fuel @ 11:11, 11:16, and 11:21. :D

i dont recommend things for no reason;)

houston 01-19-2010 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by 3rici985 (Post 6878226)
I just recently picked up a p5xlt. I run a X2 Truggy and am looking for pipe and header combo's along with clutch spring advice. I have read all the pages and I haven't seen much about what springs to run.

I plan on running a 97T glow plug, and I have few JP pipes an header to choose from ie. JP1 and JP3 but i'm looking to buy the BEST header and pipe combo. I race a in California so i'm at sea level. The track I normally run at is medium in size with not a real long straight. I'm looking for proven combo's please no guessing. what do you guys suggest and why is important to me. This is my first Rossi and hope it is the first of many, I have heard alot of good thing, I hope the are all true.

Thanks for the help in advance.

Eric

price no option?

houston 01-19-2010 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by 3rici985 (Post 6878262)
I almost forgot I was reading in past pages about using the crank out of a 21-4. Does that work w/o any mods and what were the results?

yes , they are pricey but there is a lot of magic in a crank :nod:

3rici985 01-19-2010 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 6878280)
price no option?

No, but just to be safe so I don't ask again, give me a few options please. And what crank is recommended and what does it do?

merdith6 01-19-2010 08:52 PM

9853 short round header
 
If the track is medium sized, I would use a 9853ss with the short round header on the p5.

houston 01-19-2010 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by merdith6 (Post 6878726)
If the track is medium sized, I would use a 9853ss with the short round header on the p5.

thats a good combo for a lot of low end and a good mid/top , balance it out a lil more with 41005 header :nod:

merdith6 01-20-2010 01:26 AM

hmm
 
What are the differences between the short round and square headers? I used the square one back in the day with the 9886pipe, but finally got a 9853 and loved it, but with the round header. Honestly I really don't know what the differences are between those two headers. I know they are both high speed headers right? Penny for ur thoughts.....

houston 01-20-2010 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by merdith6 (Post 6879592)
What are the differences between the short round and square headers? I used the square one back in the day with the 9886pipe, but finally got a 9853 and loved it, but with the round header. Honestly I really don't know what the differences are between those two headers. I know they are both high speed headers right? Penny for ur thoughts.....

I don't use 41005 header on 86 based pipes , always feels like a lean bog , the round headers on the 53 based imo makes the pipe flat on top but crazzzy torque . So 9886/41021 or 9853ss/41005 if you are on a really short track try the 41021.


Now where's my penny?? LOL

PowerHouse 01-20-2010 10:55 AM

The 41005 is a shorter header and combined with the 86 series pipes, the overall length is too short for the engine to scavage properly making it feel very flat on bottom or what can be described as a lean bog or clutch bog. The shorter 41005 header combined with the longer 9853 tuned section or the longer 41021 header with the shorter 9886 tuned section will have a little different running characteristics but because the overall pipe lenghts are similar, they will both tune and perform pretty well. It will be a personal preferance as to what you prefer for overall power delivery characteristics.

OfnaJoe 01-20-2010 11:18 AM

what about a 41021 with a 9853 ? what would that combo be like on a PX5XL?

houston 01-20-2010 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by OfnaJoe (Post 6881419)
what about a 41021 with a 9853 ? what would that combo be like on a PX5XL?

Lots of bottom to mid joe

All I can say is I have had about 20 people or more tell me thanks for recommending the 9853ss/41005 combo ;-)

r1harper 01-20-2010 11:57 AM

i have the RB version of that header (41005)do you know if it is the same

merdith6 01-20-2010 12:13 PM

ahhhh
 
thanks guys. that makes sense. So the bent short header gives it more top end and balances out the mid pipe, while the 86 pipe likes the round headers. Great stuff. I have all of that, just used in the wrong combo. thanks again.....

OfnaJoe 01-20-2010 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 6881523)
Lots of bottom to mid joe

All I can say is I have had about 20 people or more tell me thanks for recommending the 9853ss/41005 combo ;-)

Dang you gonna make me get a '05 just to see what it will do!
Should be more top, right? I don't need top, but will see what it does:tire:

3rici985 01-20-2010 12:47 PM

Clutch springs... Anyone have a clutch suggestion for the p5xlt motor in a truggy. I think I have narrowed found my pipe and header combo thanks to everyone's input especially Huston:), but am still looking for a direction to go clutch spring wise. I use a all mugen clutch, if that has any affect of what springs to use.

OfnaJoe 01-20-2010 01:56 PM

I would start with 1.0 springs and stock Mugen shoes, if you want more punch and the track can handle the power go to a 1.1 spring, and I have been using Dynamite Max Life shoes the past 2 gals and they still look and work like new so I might not use Mugen shoes anymore!

houston 01-20-2010 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by OfnaJoe (Post 6881978)
I would start with 1.0 springs and stock Mugen shoes, if you want more punch and the track can handle the power go to a 1.1 spring, and I have been using Dynamite Max Life shoes the past 2 gals and they still look and work like new so I might not use Mugen shoes anymore!

no joke , that ascendancy clutch is very very nice :nod:

definitely worth a shot ;)

merdith6 01-20-2010 03:33 PM

Mugen
 
Mugen has the best clutch setup in the business, in my opinion. I like their carbon black clutch shoes with the 1.0 springs with most every engine, but the p5 has so much torque the alluminum shoes are overkill. the carbon shoes last forever and don't eat into the clutch bell and overheat the springs like the all ones do...Just try it, and you will see. I use the mugen shoes on every car and clutch setup with kyosho 1.0 springs, but if you have a mugen setup use all mugen stuff....

prsjdsx1cr 01-20-2010 06:15 PM

pipe
 
How is the dynamite 086 pipe on the new p5 it has the stock round header?
i also have a few jammin round headers.??or would the jp 4 be better.
heres what i have
JP2
jp4
dynamite 086

bigjayjay1 01-20-2010 07:04 PM

was wondering if a Crono RS5 a P5 platform whats the different and are they any good.

bigjayjay1 01-20-2010 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by PowerHouse (Post 6845925)
The FMS is a wicked piece but nothing alittle mod work on the P5 can't fix. The milage are pretty comparable on both engines but that will also depend on all the variables that go into the engines overall performance ie: pipe, tune, clutching, gearing, conditions, weight of vehicle, throttle discipline etc. For what you would pay for a stock FMS, you can have my full race ported version of the P5 which will run very strong, get over 10 minutes with the proper setup and will last into the 10+ gallon range if taken care of properly.


average runtime for a FMS with proper setup

r1harper 01-20-2010 09:46 PM

monty..did you see my question about the 41005 header? i have the Rb version..do you know if they are the same. :)

houston 01-20-2010 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by bigjayjay1 (Post 6883472)
was wondering if a Crono RS5 a P5 platform whats the different and are they any good.

the crono rs5 was a pimped out p5 with the super comp filled crank and 5+2 design . very nice engine :nod:

houston 01-20-2010 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by r1harper (Post 6884227)
monty..did you see my question about the 41005 header? i have the Rb version..do you know if they are the same. :)

i couldnt tell ya 100% yes or no Wes

i am sure it is similar ;)

porkchop 01-21-2010 12:52 AM

last year i ran a 08 plus 4 with 9901 40210 what ever header the team told me to run. the to me did not seem to have alot bottom just a lil mid and never lit on fire and took of.

what dose the plus4c do better and if i dont run that 9901 pipe what can i run i need some motor if i dont have more then i need i stand on the trigger and my millage gose out the door any help would be great.

also i found that the standered plug made more power any reason why?

is the p5 better then the plus 4c?

houston 01-21-2010 01:05 AM


Originally Posted by porkchop (Post 6884717)
last year i ran a 08 plus 4 with 9901 40210 what ever header the team told me to run. the to me did not seem to have alot bottom just a lil mid and never lit on fire and took of.

what dose the plus4c do better and if i dont run that 9901 pipe what can i run i need some motor if i dont have more then i need i stand on the trigger and my millage gose out the door any help would be great.

also i found that the standered plug made more power any reason why?

is the p5 better then the plus 4c?

i dont find the 9901 pipe impressive in performance by any means charles .

call me and we can BS ;) not right now though ;)

porkchop 01-21-2010 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 6884739)
i dont find the 9901 pipe impressive in performance by any means charles .

call me and we can BS ;) not right now though ;)

pm me your number and what times would be ok firday.
yeah the 9901 pipe almost led to me looking at other options but i have faith in the motors.

start the year of right new car new motors now would the dang ups man show up

3rici985 01-21-2010 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 6755012)
ENGINE RUN IN

use a heat gun to heat to 200 before you start at each step

You will have to play with the needles a little bit and cover the head of your engine with a pit rag (or similar)

do 3 heat cycles within the first tank at 190-210 degrees (3-5 min. intervals),
at idle on stand? yes.

then run it around on the ground gently only slightly rich keeping the temp between 210-230 (monitoring temps frequently ) careful not to let the engine get into its powerband , do this for about 1 full tank at a time but do not let it run out of fuel .do this for 3 tanks (cooling in between tanks), quarter throttle or so with short blips of more (full) throttle ..

not fast? slow pulls on the throttle in 30-40ft bursts .

then richen the needles a bit and run it about 190-210 on the track for 3 straight tanks monitoring temps frequently(every 2 laps) for the first couple of minutes until the engine runs at a consistent temp and feel.(start to lean out slowly)when you get it tuned in to where its not totally screaming but you have enough power to make the jumps with a slight bog at full throttle and runs at about 210-230, let it cool

(check the plug at this point),

what am I looking for exactly on the plug ? make sure the plug still glows and looks new, if it looks all distorted pull it out as you dont want a plug filament to go through the engine

go out and run the rest of the gallon til the engine richens up dramatically on its own and the temp drops instantly (i call it "dropping its nuts"). this process sometimes takes more than a full gallon .hope this helps ya , pretty detailed

I have had great success with this method and longevity , monty
www.houstonsengineservice.com


What do you mean by "do 3 heat cycles with in the first tank"

zixxer 01-21-2010 05:52 PM

Just speaking from what I've seen houston post. He means 3 times during the first tank get the mtr running at the temps he said idle for a bit. Then cut he mtr off cool down to ambient temp. 5-7 minutes of idle time. That's what I do anyways. Hope that helps.

houston 01-21-2010 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by zixxer (Post 6888353)
Just speaking from what I've seen houston post. He means 3 times during the first tank get the mtr running at the temps he said idle for a bit. Then cut he mtr off cool down to ambient temp. 5-7 minutes of idle time. That's what I do anyways. Hope that helps.

usually 3-5 min. cycle times , then 10-12 min. cycle times , then 30-35 min. cycle times . do not over heat , do not over rev and use a fuel with at least 11% oil ;)

Stirex 01-22-2010 12:18 AM

So picked up a 21-4C, so far real nice sounding motor. Quick question, after break in I flushed the motor, but the carb doesn't seem to want to re-seat. It sits on the O-ring around the carb throat. I seem to remember when I moved it earlier it wasn't sitting on the O-Ring. So question is... O-Ring out or should it be down the throat a bit?

houston 01-22-2010 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by Stirex (Post 6890018)
So picked up a 21-4C, so far real nice sounding motor. Quick question, after break in I flushed the motor, but the carb doesn't seem to want to re-seat. It sits on the O-ring around the carb throat. I seem to remember when I moved it earlier it wasn't sitting on the O-Ring. So question is... O-Ring out or should it be down the throat a bit?

oil orings and twist the carb side to side a little and make sure it is seated all the way .

btw , did you happen to flush the engine with some kind of cleaner and swell the oring? :confused:

Stirex 01-22-2010 12:28 AM

So the O-Ring shouldnt be visible? No I used fuel, then some ARO to lube the bearings

Stirex 01-22-2010 12:35 AM

Alright, so guess its seated properly now, can't see it between it and the carb body... Just needed a little more finessing then I was giving it :)


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