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jameslow 02-01-2009 03:07 AM

skyline pipe should not be a bad choice... i have try it on sirio evo 2 and is running gd.. so i think sti4 should not be a problem too!!! hehe!:lol:

keavze 02-01-2009 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by jameslow (Post 5371171)
skyline pipe should not be a bad choice... i have try it on sirio evo 2 and is running gd.. so i think sti4 should not be a problem too!!! hehe!:lol:

skyline wont be a 'problem' for any engines in fact but i want to know how far/bad is it compared with 2611 as 2611 is deemed the best pipe for sirio.

also will 5 or 6 fins manifold be more suitable for the sti4 (if using skyline)? :weird:

auggy79 02-01-2009 05:36 AM

I had tried the Skyline with the Evo 3 Sti before and the power was significantly lesser as compared to the 2611. Have not tried with Evo 4 before but my guess is that it will be with around the same results......
Sirio Engine requires a longer pipe as it is very good on high end revs but a bit flat on the bottom punch so the 2611 compensates for this :)
Hope this helps

auggy79 02-01-2009 07:15 AM

By the way does anyone know where can I purchase a Sirio XXX Conrod? :confused:

8ight-t Driver 02-01-2009 02:45 PM

Werks Team Line B7
 
anyone know what the factory setting are for a Werks Racing Team Line B7 Pro .21?

Thanks

Osiris 75 02-01-2009 04:09 PM

What would cause the Sirio EVO 4 to continually stall at the end of the staight, with temps at 240?

NitroWD 02-01-2009 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Osiris 75 (Post 5373222)
What would cause the Sirio EVO 4 to continually stall at the end of the staight, with temps at 240?

the moment when you let off the gas or still at full throttle?

if it's when you're still at full throttle; you're too lean, gotta rich it.
if it's when you've let off the gas, you can try to bump up the idle abit. ;)
(also check the radio epa on the brake/throttle)

abul 02-03-2009 08:13 AM

would anyone agree with me that sirio engine need to be run a liitle bit high on temperature then nova base engine?:nod:...any comment?...;)

Nitro-Racer* 02-03-2009 09:54 AM

i am pretty sure that its the oposite:smile:

impalabob64 02-03-2009 10:06 AM

No
 
Here in Florida ,they need to run alittle on the rich side:nod:

Speyederjedi 02-03-2009 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Osiris 75 (Post 5373222)
What would cause the Sirio EVO 4 to continually stall at the end of the staight, with temps at 240?

Kemp,

Your idle needle is probably set to low. With my Sirio it idles great when cool but once the temp gets up a bit over 225 the idle will drop down a bit and sometimes the engine will die out so now I run with a bit of a higher idle when cold and once it gets up to temp its fine. Also, what plug are you running? With the cooler temps we've been having a 6 or 7 plug is a bit to cool and the engine may have trouble staying lit at idle. You can drop a shim or go to a hotter plug. I went to a #5 plug and haven't had a problem.

Regards,
Daniel
AKA:Speyederjedi

Speyederjedi 02-03-2009 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by impalabob64 (Post 5381763)
Here in Florida ,they need to run alittle on the rich side:nod:

Yep, I'd have to agree, here Sa Antonio, Texas a few of us are running the Evo 4 Sti and it's a bit like some of the Piccos I've had.... Likes to be fat on the bottom end:nod:.

Regards,
Speyederjedi

GMartinez 02-03-2009 03:54 PM

Sirio .12 items for sale
 
I have a couple of spare parts for sale pm me with your needs
sirio spring nut deal pending
sirio clutch spring deal pending
sirio carb restictor 5.5
sirio thrust beering guide deal pending
4-blue clutch shoes deal pending
2-red deal pending
2 yellow deal pending
sirio carb return spring
2-siiro exhuast ring
2-sirio power clutch weights deal pending
1-sirio power clutch disk deal pending
1-sirio .12 head shims
2-sirio evo4 conrods
1-sirio evo4 piston pin

NitroWD 02-10-2009 04:57 AM

sirio using picco pipes?
 
anyone tried using their sti with picco pipes like 2607? :D

elche_83 02-14-2009 12:12 AM

i was wondering what the new xxx is like? is it good on wear and tear,performance,tuning etc. cheers

stefan 02-14-2009 02:25 AM

I would be interested in how you guys would compare the XXX to the EVO 4 STI?

The reason I am asking is , that the EVO4 STI has a coated crankshaft which the XXX doesn't have. So if the performance is similar, I would personally rather stick with the EVO4.

I hate it when I have a great running engine and the crankpin is wearing down.

Roelof 02-14-2009 02:52 AM

You can alway send the crankshaft to a company specialized in DLC coatings....

stefan 02-14-2009 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 5429933)
You can alway send the crankshaft to a company specialized in DLC coatings....

First of all, having a crankshaft coated is very critical. We have once sent 5 cranks for coating for €25 each. on 3 of those cranks the crank pin broke of within the first liter.

Secondly, if the performance of the EVO4 is just marginally lower than the XXX, why would I buy an engine that is €50 more expensive and then spend an additional € 20-30 to have the crank coated.

In this case, the XXX would have to be much much better than the EVO.
That's the reason I asked the question about comparison of EVO 4 STI and XXX

GREGORY! 02-14-2009 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by stefan (Post 5429938)
First of all, having a crankshaft coated is very critical. We have once sent 5 cranks for coating for €25 each. on 3 of those cranks the crank pin broke of within the first liter.

Secondly, if the performance of the EVO4 is just marginally lower than the XXX, why would I buy an engine that is €50 more expensive and then spend an additional € 20-30 to have the crank coated.

In this case, the XXX would have to be much much better than the EVO.
That's the reason I asked the question about comparison of EVO 4 STI and XXX

stefan what do you believe cause this break?
maybe they heat them very much to make the coat?

stefan 02-14-2009 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by GREGORY! (Post 5430011)
stefan what do you believe cause this break?
maybe they heat them very much to make the coat?

the surface treatment is changing the crystalline (molecular) structure of metal.

It seems that the treatment, if not done correctly, is weakening areas that have been hardened during the production of the crank, i.e. the crank pin.

Just my theory though..

Roelof 02-14-2009 04:26 AM

The coating will make the pin a few microns thicker, you have to take away some microns from the pin or otherwise drill up the conrod. We keep it by a hard metal pin pressed in the crank, no wear at all.

stefan 02-14-2009 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 5430044)
The coating will make the pin a few microns thicker, you have to take away some microns from the pin or otherwise drill up the conrod. We keep it by a hard metal pin pressed in the crank, no wear at all.

Roelof, no offence, but I have done this plenty of times. In the States I had found a galvanic shop that was able to hard chrome only the crank pin and this worked perfect.
It is absolutely clear that the pin has to be lapped after coating.

The problem is, that most coatings won't work.

I would like to get back to my original question, please!

elche_83 02-15-2009 11:45 PM

i was wondering if anyone could anwser my question about the xxx motor.cheers.

NinjaRacer 02-16-2009 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by elche_83 (Post 5437285)
i was wondering if anyone could anwser my question about the xxx motor.cheers.

I think Sirio is comming out with a new xxx in a few months.

stefan 02-16-2009 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by NinjaRacer (Post 5439579)
I think Sirio is comming out with a new xxx in a few months.

XXX STI ?

impalabob64 02-17-2009 02:26 PM

lookin 4
 
Hey guys lookin for WCR s21 short stroke parts P/S let me know.Thanks Bobby Watson

20 SMOKE 02-17-2009 02:56 PM

what glow plugs work in the 21 other than siro

impalabob64 02-17-2009 03:01 PM

Picco
 
Picco or IDM work perfect:nod:

20 SMOKE 02-17-2009 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by impalabob64 (Post 5445399)
Picco or IDM work perfect:nod:

standard plug, I thought the turbo's were

stefan 02-18-2009 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by impalabob64 (Post 5445399)
Picco or IDM work perfect:nod:

IDM plug = Sirio plug :nod:

GMartinez 02-21-2009 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by NitroWD (Post 5412249)
anyone tried using their sti with picco pipes like 2607? :D

If tried it but felt a huge loss in power mostly topend

DogboneS 02-21-2009 10:30 AM

Do LRP turbo plugs fit Sirio turbo heads for the .21 size motors?

LRP Turbo = Picco Turbo = Sirio turbo?

Scott Fisher 02-23-2009 02:01 PM

The sirio plugs are probably the least expensive glow plugs available. Stock up on them when you can find them.

Also, I just ran my second race on my XXX. It is still breaking in so I am periodically still having the engine "go rich" on me. Overall I am quite happy with the engine.

Now I have two good choices with the IDM and the Sirio engines.

GMartinez 02-23-2009 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Fisher (Post 5470051)
The sirio plugs are probably the least expensive glow plugs available. Stock up on them when you can find them.

Also, I just ran my second race on my XXX. It is still breaking in so I am periodically still having the engine "go rich" on me. Overall I am quite happy with the engine.

Now I have two good choices with the IDM and the Sirio engines.

+1 there was a slight price increase& even with that there still the least expensive plug available

diesel 03-03-2009 06:54 AM

XXX bearing size
 
Anyone got the front and rear bearing sizes for the XXX engine?

Cheers. :sweat:

Speyederjedi 03-03-2009 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by NitroWD (Post 5412249)
anyone tried using their sti with picco pipes like 2607? :D


Try the Novarossi 2630 with the medium header. Works great on my modded Evo 4 STI. Motor is much better off the bottom and still has plenty of top-end just keep an eye on run time cause it does like to burn some extra fuel.

Regards,
Speyederjedi

blown sv 03-03-2009 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by diesel (Post 5503674)
Anyone got the front and rear bearing sizes for the XXX engine?

Cheers. :sweat:


its the same bearing as in the evo 4

diesel 03-04-2009 08:08 AM

XXX bearings sizes
 

Originally Posted by blown sv (Post 5507697)
its the same bearing as in the evo 4

Got it. Thanks. :nod:

Here are the dimensions for reference if anyone needs it:

Front : 7 X 18 X 5 (mm)

Rear : 12 X 22 X 5 (mm)

GREGORY! 04-04-2009 06:15 AM

Hi guys!
any feedback for the xxx?
does any one when the sti version will be available?

Scott Fisher 04-04-2009 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by GREGORY! (Post 5639374)
Hi guys!
any feedback for the xxx?
does any one when the sti version will be available?


XXX=good. I have three races on mine now and it seems to finally be broken in although it still locks up on the box every once in a while.


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