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boomtheroom 11-10-2024 11:46 AM

problem with tuning
 
Hi All,

Any idea why my car is running sooo inconsistent? , idle gap .5mm bottom needle as lean as i can go without raising the idle so its too fast.. top end runs as high as it can without over hanging the revs coming back down. Just wont hold a consistent idle.

petersen114 11-10-2024 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16142074)
Hi All,

Any idea why my car is running sooo inconsistent? , idle gap .5mm bottom needle as lean as i can go without raising the idle so its too fast.. top end runs as high as it can without over hanging the revs coming back down. Just wont hold a consistent idle.
https://youtube.com/shorts/lbzisG6j21k?feature=share

Is this a new engine that you are breaking in?

boomtheroom 11-10-2024 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by petersen114 (Post 16142085)
Is this a new engine that you are breaking in?

Already broken in, was purchased by a racer that has broken in as per manufacture instructions, what makes you say that? u reckon he hasn't completely broken it in?

petersen114 11-10-2024 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16142092)
Already broken in, was purchased by a racer that has broken in as per manufacture instructions, what makes you say that? u reckon he hasn't completely broken it in?

Idk. Try richening the top 1 hour. To me it sounds lean on the top. Red’s engines can be finicky.

Roelof 11-10-2024 01:27 PM

Sounds like you did follow the JQ video about tuning?
I read 0.5 idle gap and then tune the LSN to the right idle. Nope, that is not the way.

boomtheroom 11-10-2024 02:05 PM

what is the way?

Roelof 11-10-2024 02:23 PM

Find the right tuning for the LSN and HSN and correct the idle when needed, the idle is basically the last one to set.

That JQ instruction is based on a certain OS carb but you have a REDS engine that is different. Beside that, the JQ instruction of a 0.5mm gap and tune the LSN from there does sometimes also not work on the OS carb, tolerances, different fuels and weather conditions has a lot of influence on the final tuning.

boomtheroom 11-10-2024 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 16142120)
Find the right tuning for the LSN and HSN and correct the idle when needed, the idle is basically the last one to set.

That JQ instruction is based on a certain OS carb but you have a REDS engine that is different. Beside that, the JQ instruction of a 0.5mm gap and tune the LSN from there does sometimes also not work on the OS carb, tolerances, different fuels and weather conditions has a lot of influence on the final tuning.

Tried several different methods, car will run great when driving , its just the idle that fluctuates and stalls all the time...

Roelof 11-10-2024 02:52 PM

In the vid you open the throttle by hand so the servo is not powered, Does it also happen when you switch on the radio and receiver?

And did you try a fresh glowplug?

boomtheroom 11-10-2024 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 16142127)
In the vid you open the throttle by hand so the servo is not powered, Does it also happen when you switch on the radio and receiver?

And did you try a fresh glowplug?

Hey,
Yea tried several glow plugs and does same via remote.

stanleyw808 11-12-2024 09:38 PM

Hello boomtheroom,

You might try to check if the tank is not leaking. You need to take out the tank from the car, empty the tank, block the fuel outlet, put a long Fuel Line on the Pressure Inlet. Then submerge the Tank into a bucket of water, then blow the Pressure Line. If the tank is not properly sealed You could see bubbles coming out. Usually from the Lid Seal.

Cheers.. :)

QUOTE=boomtheroom;16142131]Hey,
Yea tried several glow plugs and does same via remote.[/QUOTE]

1995 Monster T 11-13-2024 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16142074)
Hi All,

Any idea why my car is running sooo inconsistent? , idle gap .5mm bottom needle as lean as i can go without raising the idle so its too fast.. top end runs as high as it can without over hanging the revs coming back down. Just wont hold a consistent idle.
https://youtube.com/shorts/lbzisG6j21k?feature=share

i suspect the brand of fuel you are using is the problem. Switching brands or nitro contend or oil lube contend will requires you to re tune. Use fuel with 14-18% oil lube to start and choose you nitro % 30% is more than enough. set carb back to factory settings and break in again and tune again.

Bud 11-13-2024 09:05 AM

If it was me I'd ignore the oil advice from monster guy and richen the lo needle a tad. His advice is always bogus.

MonsterJuice 11-13-2024 10:02 PM

Please ignore anything 1995 Monster T says. His only 5 braincells only drink oil, the high % stuff to.
Mods still refuse to boot him so sorry about that aswell.

boomtheroom 11-15-2024 12:12 AM

heres a running video

Roelof 11-15-2024 01:31 AM

Too lean on the LSN, when giving throttle with a long idle you hear a hickup.

boomtheroom 11-15-2024 02:23 AM

yeah... but thats the only way i can stop it from dyeing on idle... also the long hanging before dropping to idle is impossible to adjust out..

Roelof 11-15-2024 09:50 AM

Do you have another engine from which you can try the carburettor?

boomtheroom 11-15-2024 12:05 PM

Yep Several Rb, GO, Os...

1995 Monster T 11-15-2024 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16143531)

The problem is the fuel. The engine was broke in with low oil lube 10% or less. and you switch brands 12% and still are using less oil lube.. The engine will idle erratic like that as the fuel is for racing not back yard bashing. Buy fuel with 14-18% oil lube and or a plug with a idle bar? The engine is now running lean loss of compression from the fuel oil lube and poor tuning.

petersen114 11-15-2024 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by 1995 Monster T (Post 16143735)
The problem is the fuel. The engine was broke in with low oil lube 10% or less. and you switch brands 12% and still are using less oil lube.. The engine will idle erratic like that as the fuel is for racing not back yard bashing. Buy fuel with 14-18% oil lube and or a plug with a idle bar? The engine is now running lean loss of compression from the fuel oil lube and poor tuning.

Yea ok. You definitely don’t know what you’re talking about. First off there’s not a turbo plug in the world that has an idle bar. Second he has a race engine which is something you are clueless about. Third stop with the oil nonsense because it’s very bad advice. Also how do you know he isn’t gonna race this engine or are you that narcissistic that you just don’t care and it’s your way or the highway. Just because he’s running it in his backyard doesn’t mean he’s just gonna bash it and even so so what the engine isn’t designed to run gobs of oil. Let’s see your nitro engine collection.

MonsterJuice 11-15-2024 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by 1995 Monster T (Post 16143735)
The problem is the fuel. The engine was broke in with low oil lube 10% or less. and you switch brands 12% and still are using less oil lube.. The engine will idle erratic like that as the fuel is for racing not back yard bashing. Buy fuel with 14-18% oil lube and or a plug with a idle bar? The engine is now running lean loss of compression from the fuel oil lube and poor tuning.

Your uneducated advice is getting worse.... what an absolute ballbag.

boomtheroom PLEASE IGNORE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

@mods - time to sort this guy out.........

Roelof 11-16-2024 02:07 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...e63f3b7210.jpg

petersen114 11-16-2024 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Roelof (Post 16143800)

:lol:

1/8 IC Fan 11-16-2024 05:46 AM

Probably because his advice is some BS he had Chat GPT or some other AI create....

1995 Monster T 11-16-2024 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by 1/8 IC Fan (Post 16143824)
Probably because his advice is some BS he had Chat GPT or some other AI create....

All my information is FACT! not BS like all you other bozos keep posting. Breaking in an Engine with low oil lube and the switching oil content again can cause poor engine performance like this.

Roelof 11-16-2024 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by 1995 Monster T (Post 16143859)
All my information is FACT! not BS like all you other bozos keep posting. Breaking in an Engie with low oil lube and the switching oil content again can cause poor engine performance like this.

Correction: your fact! Not the from all others on this forum.


petersen114 11-16-2024 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by 1995 Monster T (Post 16143859)
All my information is FACT! not BS like all you other bozos keep posting. Breaking in an Engie with low oil lube and the switching oil content again can cause poor engine performance like this.

Breaking in an engine only requires 12% oil and that’s not even required for the full break in of the engine.

Pharcyed 11-16-2024 04:25 PM

For REDS motors,TS4 or P4 plug helps with idle. You can't set a carb to a specific idle gap and have it work all the time. The part in the JQ video about balancing the carb is what you are after. Make sure the motor is at least 200* before you start playing with the needles. Sounds like you are fat on the bottom and the idle is high. If you know how to measure squish clearance, check to make sure you are 0.60mm or higher. If not add a shim. Factory setting for the carb are 3 turns opened from the
fully closed position for the HSN and 3 1/2 turns opened from the fully closed position for the LSN. Idle gap of 0.5 is approximate, but will set it self as you tune the motor.

boomtheroom 11-17-2024 01:08 AM

So i got it to idle, seams like its lean on bottom then bogs then raises, then dies all on its own, replaced front bearing as suggested by JQ after showing him my video, maybe try p4 plug? currently running T97 had a t3 same resuly

boomtheroom 11-24-2024 01:02 AM

Ok think i got it... what you all think?

Panic09 11-24-2024 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16145673)
Ok think i got it... what you all think?
https://youtu.be/AZWr7xVB4NA

definitely sounds healthier....what did you adjust?

boomtheroom 11-24-2024 02:27 PM

Replaced front bearing, then closed idle and leaned bottom end

1995 Monster T 11-24-2024 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16145673)
Ok think i got it... what you all think?
https://youtu.be/AZWr7xVB4NA

looks and sounds good. You could try softer clutch springs to put more load on engine Sonner? whatever you do don't mess with the low needle only the high open it if you have too. never lean it out with low % oil lube fuel. I bet the lean oil % wrecked the front bearing. you would never had to replace it with e more % oil lube. Good smoke trail ! the way to check front bearing for leaks is an oil trail under the flywheel.

Roelof 11-24-2024 04:04 PM

Funny, I run 9 to10% oil and never had a failing front bearing.

MonsterJuice 11-24-2024 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by 1995 Monster T (Post 16145794)
looks and sounds good. [Exactly, Proper fuel and correctly working things are amazing!] You could try softer clutch springs to put more load on engine Sonner? whatever you do don't mess with the low needle only the high open it if you have too. never lean it out with low % oil lube fuel. I bet the lean oil % wrecked the front bearing. you would never had to replace it with e more % oil lube. Good smoke trail ! the way to check front bearing for leaks is an oil trail under the flywheel.

"Good smoke trail" So, You just told us hes using more than enough oil in professional fuel. thanks

" I bet the lean oil % wrecked the front bearing" Wrong. I've had bad bearings from new... did they not use enough oil when machining the cooling head to cause the bad bearing?




Roelof 11-25-2024 04:32 AM

Failing front bearing can be anything like a bad quality (as mentioned), dirt (common issue with offroad), unbalance on the clutch or a too tight gear mesh. Also a binding in the whole drivetrain or a too heavy gearing can put huge sideway loads on the front bearing.

briefer 01-13-2025 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by boomtheroom (Post 16145673)
Ok think i got it... what you all think?
https://youtu.be/AZWr7xVB4NA

Sounds good but bear in mind that you don't have space in your yard for proper testing. The tuning changes as the engine gets to working temperature (which varies between different engines). The tuning should be reliable to hold for at least 15 min with 1 refueling without dropping performance or having flameouts.

I have seen often cars working great at 5min qualification heats, and then having several flameouts in 30 minutes finals.


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