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f2000racer 06-02-2005 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by fulcrum2
Hi!


My used 710 came with a shim between the 1st and 2nd pinion gears, but in the manual is no shim visible.
Do I have to use the shim?

Many thanks in advance!

YES! you have to. It is actually not in the manual. Go to www.mytsn.com and search for the 710, i believe it's an additional flyer or instruction sheet.

rccobra705 06-02-2005 03:02 PM

Serpent 710 RC
 
Anybody there know what a 710 RC is!!!! Found this at RB Product's web (french version).
Also exist a 950RC!!
RB Product is french distributor of Serpent. Check link:
http://www.rbproducts.com/main.php?p...Stat04=SERPENT

Regards

rccobra705

Fernando_M 06-02-2005 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by f2000racer
YES! you have to. It is actually not in the manual. Go to www.mytsn.com and search for the 710, i believe it's an additional flyer or instruction sheet.

The shim is only needed with the older black 1st gear pinion. The newer gold or silver ones do not need it.

daniz24 06-02-2005 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by rccobra705
Anybody there know what a 710 RC is!!!! Found this at RB Product's web (french version).

From Babelfish translation :

The Snake 710 RC is the new version of the 710: it profits from the experiment of the TEAM at the time of its first season when it practically very gained! Champion of Europe, Champion of France, conveys year, the 710 receives some improvements aiming at ensuring its supremacy! Stage of anti-roll aluminum bar, blocking of front free wheel, bars anti-roll back 2.5+3mm, but also new safe-servo and cast solid driving support! It is ready to gain!

markp27 06-02-2005 09:51 PM

FINALLY!!!!
 
Well at last, after about 16 months of trying, I managed to break my original thin rear shock tower - I went too fast into the chicane at my circuit, flew over a curb and landed squarely on the next curb, right on the rear tower :cry: Now the rear section of my body shell is bent completely out of shape :cry: Never mind - I'll probably be using the 2,1 Stratus this weekend :D

Also I tried out the 21 tooth alu side pulley - man this made a huge difference in the long left hand corner leading onto the straight - I could get onto the gas much, much earlier than normal and the car held a much tighter line at the exit. I thought the motor was down on power at first!
I ran the tyres with a 2mm split - seems to be a keeper for me.

Cheers, Mark.

B4 06-03-2005 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by markp27
Well at last, after about 16 months of trying, I managed to break my original thin rear shock tower - I went too fast into the chicane at my circuit, flew over a curb and landed squarely on the next curb, right on the rear tower :cry: Now the rear section of my body shell is bent completely out of shape :cry: Never mind - I'll probably be using the 2,1 Stratus this weekend :D

Also I tried out the 21 tooth alu side pulley - man this made a huge difference in the long left hand corner leading onto the straight - I could get onto the gas much, much earlier than normal and the car held a much tighter line at the exit. I thought the motor was down on power at first!
I ran the tyres with a 2mm split - seems to be a keeper for me.

Cheers, Mark.

Sorry to hear you have finally been able to break the shock tower, I'm still trying.

The 21T is a huge improvement, allows you to be much more agressive with the throttle and still maintain the best line. Are you also using the front diff ? I've found this recently to be a great advantage on all tracks since I change to the 3 racing friction collar.

markp27 06-03-2005 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by B4
Sorry to hear you have finally been able to break the shock tower, I'm still trying.

Don't give up matey....you'll get it one day :lol: :lol:


The 21T is a huge improvement, allows you to be much more agressive with the throttle and still maintain the best line. Are you also using the front diff ? I've found this recently to be a great advantage on all tracks since I change to the 3 racing friction collar.
I was stunned at the difference it made in the fast sweeper - I'm looking forward to using it in anger tomorrow.

I am using the front diff and the two part diff collar. What difference did the 3 racing part make for you?

Cheers, Mark.

B4 06-03-2005 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by markp27
Don't give up matey....you'll get it one day :lol: :lol:

perhaps in FAQ 2.4 you can describe the correct breaking procedure :D :D


I was stunned at the difference it made in the fast sweeper - I'm looking forward to using it in anger tomorrow.

It's took me a while to adjust my driving to suit the advantage we now have with this pulley.

I am using the front diff and the two part diff collar. What difference did the 3 racing part make for you?

Cheers, Mark.
The 3Racing diff collar has a teflon ring inside the collar and in my opinion this is makes it more tunable and improves consistency through the race. Having said that I would rather use the new part that Rene said is on the way as Serpent quality is No1, price's on the other hand could be revised i think.

markp27 06-03-2005 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by B4
perhaps in FAQ 2.4 you can describe the correct breaking procedure :D :D

Unfortunately it was a fluke :cry:



It's took me a while to adjust my driving to suit the advantage we now have with this pulley.
It certainly took me by surprise - I couldn't understand why the car was keeping so tight through the big sweeper and why on power it didn't drift out as much as normal!



The 3Racing diff collar has a teflon ring inside the collar and in my opinion this is makes it more tunable and improves consistency through the race. Having said that I would rather use the new part that Rene said is on the way as Serpent quality is No1, price's on the other hand could be revised i think.
I'll wait for Serpent's own :)

Cheers, Mark.

impalabob64 06-03-2005 05:07 PM

CHEERS MARKP27
 
Bobby here,how are things good i hope. :nod:

clmbia45 06-03-2005 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by markp27
Well at last, after about 16 months of trying, I managed to break my original thin rear shock tower - I went too fast into the chicane at my circuit, flew over a curb and landed squarely on the next curb, right on the rear tower :cry: Now the rear section of my body shell is bent completely out of shape :cry: Never mind - I'll probably be using the 2,1 Stratus this weekend :D

Also I tried out the 21 tooth alu side pulley - man this made a huge difference in the long left hand corner leading onto the straight - I could get onto the gas much, much earlier than normal and the car held a much tighter line at the exit. I thought the motor was down on power at first!
I ran the tyres with a 2mm split - seems to be a keeper for me.

Cheers, Mark.

Mark, what was your actual tire sizes, front and rear? I want to run out a O.D. table with these gears.
To the Winter Nats!
jack

Sow&Steady 06-04-2005 01:34 AM


Originally Posted by markp27

I'll wait for Serpent's own :)

Cheers, Mark.

Why wait? You guys didn't see the post at 3hobby.net?

I've got mine already. :D

B4 06-04-2005 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by Sow&Steady
Why wait? You guys didn't see the post at 3hobby.net?

I've got mine already. :D

Sow

Can you post the link to you post, I've looked at 3Hobby and can't see it.

Simon

Pyramid 06-04-2005 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by rccobra705
Anybody there know what a 710 RC is!!!! Found this at RB Product's web (french version).
Also exist a 950RC!!
RB Product is french distributor of Serpent. Check link:
http://www.rbproducts.com/main.php?p...Stat04=SERPENT

Regards

rccobra705

Same car bundled with some hop up parts

Sow&Steady 06-04-2005 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by B4
Sow

Can you post the link to you post, I've looked at 3Hobby and can't see it.

Simon

Its here B4

http://3hobby.net/modules.php?name=N...rticle&sid=501

B4 06-04-2005 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Sow&Steady

Sow&Steady
Thanks for the link. The part Mark and I were talking about was the aluminiun diff collar that is on the way from Serpent.

Simon

Sow&Steady 06-04-2005 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by B4
Sow&Steady
Thanks for the link. The part Mark and I were talking about was the aluminiun diff collar that is on the way from Serpent.

Simon


Oh right ... well, the team drivers started with the *spit* 3Racing ones and then now have the prototype Serpent ones. You're both right then, we'll have to wait. Same with the shocks too. :rolleyes:

fulcrum2 06-05-2005 12:24 PM


The shim is only needed with the older black 1st gear pinion. The newer gold or silver ones do not need it.

Could someone pls confim this?
What is the difference between the older and the newer first gear pinions beside the color? How can I be 100% sure if I have to use the shim or not? I want to get it right, so please advice again...

Benzoil 06-05-2005 03:21 PM

Serpent Build
 
Hi all,

I purchased a second hand 710 last weekend and have a few questions regarding the (re) build. The car came with new (optional) aluminium fr anti roll bar supports, however there is quite a bit of binding when I set them on the pins. Any ideas?

I also noticed that the new kits have orange-coated bearings, mine are purple, have there been different versions of the kit since its commercialisation?

The quality of the kit is quite remarkable, and I am starting to understand what all the fuss is about! Can't wait to hit the tarmac this week!

Pyramid 06-05-2005 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by fulcrum2
Could someone pls confim this?
What is the difference between the older and the newer first gear pinions beside the color? How can I be 100% sure if I have to use the shim or not? I want to get it right, so please advice again...

The older pinions (brownish color) must use shim for the first gear. The newer pinions (light grey or the newest one is silver) already machined with as if it were shim in it.

Pyramid 06-05-2005 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by Benzoil
Hi all,

I purchased a second hand 710 last weekend and have a few questions regarding the (re) build. The car came with new (optional) aluminium fr anti roll bar supports, however there is quite a bit of binding when I set them on the pins. Any ideas?

I also noticed that the new kits have orange-coated bearings, mine are purple, have there been different versions of the kit since its commercialisation?

The quality of the kit is quite remarkable, and I am starting to understand what all the fuss is about! Can't wait to hit the tarmac this week!

Remove the orange coating inside that hole were the pin goes just enough to make sure no binding.

The batch with its purple bearing has some improvement along the way. The orange bearing batch has the most updated improvement including thicker rear shock tower until now.

buboy28 06-05-2005 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by B4
available from Lam [email protected]

how much are they selling it :confused:

Pyramid 06-05-2005 11:19 PM

SER-802350 should be close to USD20 per pair

and the following info for your reff,
SER-802351 CVD drive-shaft (2) USD11
SER-802352 CVD insert (2) USD4.5
SER-802353 CVD screw M3x2.5 (4) USD2

Greg M 06-05-2005 11:47 PM

Have guys with the low CG chassis found any improvement in lap times?

My 710 is flying at the moment, a practice run today saw my best laps times and I really enjoyed pulling away from the National champ;) Now all I need is to do that on a race day!!

Greg M 06-06-2005 12:32 AM

Has anyone tried a Lipo battery to power their radio gear?

markp27 06-06-2005 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by Greg M
Have guys with the low CG chassis found any improvement in lap times?

My 710 is flying at the moment, a practice run today saw my best laps times and I really enjoyed pulling away from the National champ;) Now all I need is to do that on a race day!!

For me the car is much more settled and easier to drive with the new chassis. I don't know if this makes much difference in individual lap times, but means that I can driver more consistent.

Works for me :D

Greg M 06-06-2005 01:03 AM

Thanks Mark, I may have to look at getting one.
I just hope if I spend lots of $$ on my 710 that a new car doesn't come out before the Worlds.

buboy28 06-06-2005 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by Pyramid
SER-802350 should be close to USD20 per pair

and the following info for your reff,
SER-802351 CVD drive-shaft (2) USD11
SER-802352 CVD insert (2) USD4.5
SER-802353 CVD screw M3x2.5 (4) USD2

ok thanks again Pyramid :) any other store selling these items aside from Harmony Model :confused: i know they sell Serpent parts cause i bought some Serpent 710 parts from them last December ;)

JustRace 06-06-2005 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Pyramid
The older pinions (brownish color) must use shim for the first gear. The newer pinions (light grey or the newest one is silver) already machined with as if it were shim in it.

Pyramid...I believe the black pinions used the shim. The brownish and silver ones don't require a shim.

Pyramid 06-06-2005 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by JustRace
Pyramid...I believe the black pinions used the shim. The brownish and silver ones don't require a shim.

Oh yes.. you are right.. Black was the first edition..

Pyramid 06-06-2005 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by buboy28
ok thanks again Pyramid :) any other store selling these items aside from Harmony Model :confused: i know they sell Serpent parts cause i bought some Serpent 710 parts from them last December ;)

In Hong Kong? Both Harmony and Wing Jet model are the biggest serpent dealer in Hong Kong... of course without counting World Model as the Asia distributor which you can go direct if don't mine paying retail.. What you are looking for is already widely available..

B4 06-06-2005 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Pyramid
In Hong Kong? Both Harmony and Wing Jet model are the biggest serpent dealer in Hong Kong... of course without counting World Model as the Asia distributor which you can go direct if don't mine paying retail.. What you are looking for is already widely available..

Pyramid,

Would you be so kind as to post the URL for Wing Jet Model.

Simon

buboy28 06-07-2005 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by Pyramid
In Hong Kong? Both Harmony and Wing Jet model are the biggest serpent dealer in Hong Kong... of course without counting World Model as the Asia distributor which you can go direct if don't mine paying retail.. What you are looking for is already widely available..

ok thanks will try wing jet model already asked world model but they have minimum order requirement for first time customers and a little bit expensive if i will add it all up ;)

Pyramid 06-07-2005 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by B4
Pyramid,

Would you be so kind as to post the URL for Wing Jet Model.

Simon

I do not recall they have one.. try hongkong threads, maybe someone could help you out with their phone numbers. I believe they dont do emails either.

B4 06-07-2005 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Pyramid
I do not recall they have one.. try hongkong threads, maybe someone could help you out with their phone numbers. I believe they dont do emails either.

OK

gfd2726 06-07-2005 09:58 PM

Hi guys,

I am planning on upgrading my stock composite shocks to aluminium shocks. Can anyone tell me what's the best shock/spring for this car and what company make them? Thank you!

Car Breaker 06-07-2005 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by gfd2726
Hi guys,

I am planning on upgrading my stock composite shocks to aluminium shocks. Can anyone tell me what's the best shock/spring for this car and what company make them? Thank you!

I think the only choice for you is the products from Serepent unless you can find the one from East.
it will be better to use one from Serpent.

fulcrum2 06-08-2005 12:50 AM

Tweak with new Team Chassis
 
Hi!

I´ve just converted my 710 to the new team chassis. After the assembly I´ve recognized a slight front/back wobble when the chassis sits on the Hudy board w/o wheels. I´ve released the radio deck and the front and rear suspension and it turned out that the radio deck bents the alu chassis a little bit. When the radio deck is loosened, the chassis sits flat on th Hudy board.
Is there someting I can do about it, or is it nothing I need to be concerned about?


Many thanks in advance!

_cyclops_ 06-08-2005 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by fulcrum2
Hi!

I´ve just converted my 710 to the new team chassis. After the assembly I´ve recognized a slight front/back wobble when the chassis sits on the Hudy board w/o wheels. I´ve released the radio deck and the front and rear suspension and it turned out that the radio deck bents the alu chassis a little bit. When the radio deck is loosened, the chassis sits flat on th Hudy board.
Is there someting I can do about it, or is it nothing I need to be concerned about?


Many thanks in advance!


What type of X-brace are you using.. i heard the plastic and the alu differ in size... so the chassis will bend if one of both is smaller...

Pyramid 06-08-2005 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by fulcrum2
Hi!

I´ve just converted my 710 to the new team chassis. After the assembly I´ve recognized a slight front/back wobble when the chassis sits on the Hudy board w/o wheels.

Even if you got it straight when brand new, it will still tweak/wobble between front and back after, let's say, 1 hour of use. NOT between right and left! which is not a good sign.

They way you screw down both top deck and all the bulkheads (serpent called it bearing blocks) also effect how straight your chassis will be when they are new.

Some also tought the way the starter box design will bent the chassis on use.

It happens to all other brand car using aluminum chassis.


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