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crashed_1 12-22-2003 07:31 PM

Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by InitialD
:sneaky:

Those spacers are inherited from the 705. Since I do not use shock towers on the 705, those spacers are laying around in the toolbox. I found that the shocks are not as straight as they should be (me thinks) when mounted as shown in the manual. It was like that on the Impulse PRO and when the 705 came out, they came with those spacers and the reason for that was the front shocks could be aligned straight and better.

What does Team Serpent think this? Since the 710 was designed from the ground up, why was this overlooked since the bulkheads could be made to shift a little bit behind?

Damn...you're right...they aren't straight...more wrenching.:flaming:

InitialD 12-22-2003 07:35 PM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by crashed_1
Damn...you're right...they aren't straight...more wrenching.:flaming:
Hold your horses... Don't know if Serpent did this intentional or if indeed this was sight they missed. I don't think it will make much handling difference straight or slanterd a little. Just personal preference I guess. Anyway, you need a longer counter sunk M3 allen to put the spacer and yet be able to screw the shock tower into the bulkhead.

clmbia45 12-22-2003 09:26 PM

Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
Looks like you missed a spot on the radiotray with the CA-glue on the edges!!! (near the M4 screw at the right front bulkhead!)
:D :D :D :D

;) Julius, I've been meaning to ask, I know working for Serpent must be very profitable, but isn't it a bit MUCH to put a picture of your private plane on your posts??:lol:

Julius 12-23-2003 01:30 AM


Originally posted by GoldFinger
With aluminium(stock) balls, especially if the rear camber is set 4 deg. a hard impact from back side of the wheel will rip out arm thread.
Maybe it's me but: Camber is set with the top pivot ball. More camber means it's screwed in further = more durable. The lower balls are set for track width and toe.

Did you already rip out a ball or is it more a concern?

Julius 12-23-2003 01:33 AM


Originally posted by GoldFinger
Julius, there is one thing I forget to ask you:
Pls check Initial D picture about steering linkage in normal position.

When I mount the steering rod face up(balls on the top), as the car lean harder it increases the toe in for the outside wheel. At least it will help servo holds this tire in setup position. Which is good for high speed cornering. For low speed cornering the present ackerman angle is big enough to do it smoothly.

If I build it face down (just like manual) the toe change (bump steer) is only happen when you brake hard but not changing the toe setup as the car leans out when cornering.

All above is only my theory and i mount it on top eventually, only because im feeling better.. :D :lol:

Question is: Which is better for tight and small track?

I doubt that you will be able to clear the steering rod from the suspension. Especially when you run the top pivot block in the lowest position. To be honest we didn't try this. Feel free! :p

Julius 12-23-2003 02:08 AM

Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by clmbia45
;) Julius, I've been meaning to ask, I know working for Serpent must be very profitable, but isn't it a bit MUCH to put a picture of your private plane on your posts??:lol:

I wish :cool: :cool: :cool: :D
Actually I am not an employee of Serpent. I test and race for them but I do not get paid.

EVOLUTION 12-23-2003 02:50 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
Actually I am not an employee of Serpent. I test and race for them but I do not get paid.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

I knew Pieter was a tight ass ! :lol:

GoldFinger 12-23-2003 03:56 AM


Originally posted by Julius
Maybe it's me but: Camber is set with the top pivot ball. More camber means it's screwed in further = more durable. The lower balls are set for track width and toe.
First time I put on hudy setup block,above statement is true.
On testing, I switched the upper link to its shortest position(UBO) and made an adjustment(lower ball) to keep 4 deg camber.
In this position, screwing all the way(upper ball) you will only get 1 deg. change.
With this (very much) camber change, i think i hit the jackpot on back side. Then i realize the rear trackwidht is 202mm and nothing i can do since the upperlink ball is screwed maximum. Pyramid suggest me to cut the ball and I did cut 3mm off.
Check my photo, you will never be able to do that without cutting your balls!! (I mean stock aluminium pivot ball)
Then after adjusting the lower ball to kept 200mm trackwidht, my car is even better.


Originally posted by Julius

Did you already rip out a ball or is it more a concern?

Not the ball, thread on the arm is ripped out. This is happen before I cut my upper ball. After hitting a curb at fast chicane my 710 is having a lovely airshow in quattro twist style, The (back) lower ball is slanted forward a bit but far enough for drs arm to scrub 1st spur gear.

And for the next day Sunday race,before the Final I did put some threadlock on that ripped arm thread. I did Finish without cahnging any parts coz I do not have any of those 710 parts :eek: :eek:
Is that couraging ?? or stupid ..??:lol: :lol:

GoldFinger 12-23-2003 04:10 AM


Originally posted by Julius
I doubt that you will be able to clear the steering rod from the suspension. Especially when you run the top pivot block in the lowest position. To be honest we didn't try this. Feel free! :p
For lowest hinge pin position, only 1 kungfu left then...
Mount the ball face down and to compensate that you have to mount track rod on the lower side in steering block too :p

GoldFinger 12-23-2003 04:14 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
I wish :cool: :cool: :cool: :D
Actually I am not an employee of Serpent. I test and race for them but I do not get paid.

Really..???
:weird: :weird: :weird:

quozl 12-23-2003 04:59 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by GoldFinger
Really..???
:weird: :weird: :weird:

Really,

Julius fly's planes for a living for KLM I believe.

Cheers Alastair

Julius 12-23-2003 05:44 AM


Originally posted by GoldFinger
Then i realize the rear trackwidht is 202mm and nothing i can do since the upperlink ball is screwed maximum. Pyramid suggest me to cut the ball and I did cut 3mm off.
Check my photo, you will never be able to do that without cutting your balls!! (I mean stock aluminium pivot ball)
Then after adjusting the lower ball to kept 200mm trackwidht, my car is even better.

If you only need to lose 2mm track width the you only neede to cut 1 mm off the ball. I looked at my car and I can screw the top ball in until the upright touches the top arm. So there is no need to cut the ball I think.

Julius 12-23-2003 05:46 AM

Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by clmbia45
;) Julius, I've been meaning to ask, I know working for Serpent must be very profitable, but isn't it a bit MUCH to put a picture of your private plane on your posts??:lol:
It's too bad my private plane is always full of passengers that always want to go somewhere else than I do :flaming:
KLM also would object slightly if I were to make a 500km/h flyby of the Serpent factory :D

Julius 12-23-2003 05:51 AM

Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by InitialD
[BWhat does Team Serpent think this? Since the 710 was designed from the ground up, why was this overlooked since the bulkheads could be made to shift a little bit behind? [/B]
No not an oversight. With the tower in "your" position it's difficult to reach the front screws of the diff holders. Putting the tower further back would have made the hole for the tower mounting screws shorter = weaker. So the slight angle is intentional.

Julius 12-23-2003 05:52 AM

Hey 100 posts!!!!!! :cool: Only 10000000 to go before I catch D :D

kreidel 12-23-2003 06:19 AM


Originally posted by Julius
Hey 100 posts!!!!!! :cool: Only 10000000 to go before I catch D :D
You are on track the way you respond to questions...a seperate post for each question and sometimes two posts for 1 question.

Rebal 12-23-2003 06:21 AM

MISSING FRONT ONE WAY GEAR
 
Julius,I am assuming you are with Serpent.I bought the 710 and it has the wrong front one way gear.What is in my kit appears to be a diff gear with 3 pins on back side and round hole in middle instead of hex.Hobby shop says call Serpent USA,Serpent USA is closed for 2 weeks and probably won,t have parts anyway.Can you be of any assitance on this.Don,t mean to put you on the spot just trying to get help.Thanks

Profoxcg 12-23-2003 06:24 AM

should I start putting my car together or not???

InitialD 12-23-2003 07:15 AM


Originally posted by Julius
Hey 100 posts!!!!!! :cool: Only 10000000 to go before I catch D :D
Dream on ! :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Julius 12-23-2003 07:21 AM

Re: MISSING FRONT ONE WAY GEAR
 

Originally posted by Rebal
Julius,I am assuming you are with Serpent.I bought the 710 and it has the wrong front one way gear.What is in my kit appears to be a diff gear with 3 pins on back side and round hole in middle instead of hex.Hobby shop says call Serpent USA,Serpent USA is closed for 2 weeks and probably won,t have parts anyway.Can you be of any assitance on this.Don,t mean to put you on the spot just trying to get help.Thanks
That's an easy way out for a hobby shop! I'd assume they are the ones to contact Serpent USA. So much for customer service.

In all fairness, there is not a lot I can do....
Serpent USA is the right place to help you. You could try to send an e-mail to Ronald Baar at Serpent HQ. [email protected]

InitialD 12-23-2003 07:30 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
No not an oversight. With the tower in "your" position it's difficult to reach the front screws of the diff holders.
Yes. That is correct. :nod:

InitialD 12-23-2003 07:34 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
KLM also would object slightly if I were to make a 500km/h flyby of the Serpent factory :D
Itching to do a Top Gun fly by with a 777? :sneaky: Perhaps Top Gun 777 flies the 777 plane Top Gun style ! :lol: :D

InitialD 12-23-2003 07:40 AM

Re: Re: Re: Re: Steering Linkage Pic 2
 

Originally posted by Julius
I test and race for them but I do not get paid.
How I wish I could do that ! Don't mind not getting paid. Just send me a 710 with full parts support for a year ! :sneaky: :lol:

InitialD 12-23-2003 07:43 AM


Originally posted by Profoxcg
should I start putting my car together or not???
Why not? I did ! :nod: :D

InitialD 12-23-2003 08:24 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 1
 
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Ok, as promised, here is an onslaught of pics I've taken. Enjoy ! :D

InitialD 12-23-2003 08:25 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 2
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:32 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 3
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:34 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 4
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:36 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 5
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:37 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 6
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:38 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 7
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:41 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 8
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:42 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 9
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:44 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 10
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:45 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 11
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:46 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 12
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:47 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 13
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:49 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 14
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:50 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 15
 
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InitialD 12-23-2003 08:51 AM

Serpent 710 Pics - Part 16
 
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