E-maxx 3906 Build Help?
#1
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Ok, I recently bought an emaxx 3906 roller off Craigslist for cheap. The Drive train (trans, f/r diffs, all shafts) appear to be original stock.
I've got it running but am looking for help with motor/power/gearing.
I bought 2 Titan 21T brushed motors, a Hobbywing quicrun dual-brushed 60a ESC rated for 2-4s lipo, Power HD 20kg digital metal gear steering servo, 70T, 66T & 64T spurs, (2ea of) 13t, 18t & 21t pinions, and both a series and parallel trx "Y" battery connectors for the 2 Floureon 5200mah 25c 2s lipos. ☆I want to keep it as a twin brushed system...
I've got it running but am looking for help with motor/power/gearing.
I bought 2 Titan 21T brushed motors, a Hobbywing quicrun dual-brushed 60a ESC rated for 2-4s lipo, Power HD 20kg digital metal gear steering servo, 70T, 66T & 64T spurs, (2ea of) 13t, 18t & 21t pinions, and both a series and parallel trx "Y" battery connectors for the 2 Floureon 5200mah 25c 2s lipos. ☆I want to keep it as a twin brushed system...
Last edited by OCDRC; 09-10-2017 at 08:39 AM.
#2
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Being that this is my first MT, first dual motor system, first emaxx, I'm not sure of the best way to set this up for bashing. I want it fast as possible but don't want to be replacing parts left & right... any suggestions for setup using what I listed would be helpful!
*Currently running both 2s lipos in parallel with 21tP/64tS gearing.
*Currently running both 2s lipos in parallel with 21tP/64tS gearing.
Last edited by OCDRC; 09-10-2017 at 08:36 AM.
#3
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Soo... my questions are:
**Using the parts I listed**
1. Can I run the batteries in series (speed runs) without destroying motors or esc, or should I only ever run in parallel?
2. What gearing should I use for bashing?
3. What things should I be looking to upgrade down the line performance/durability wise?
**Using the parts I listed**
1. Can I run the batteries in series (speed runs) without destroying motors or esc, or should I only ever run in parallel?
2. What gearing should I use for bashing?
3. What things should I be looking to upgrade down the line performance/durability wise?
#4
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,049
From: Long Island, NY
1. Yes you can run the batteries in series. Two 2s in series = 4s. The esc is 4s rated and a quick search reveals some people using this esc in Summits on 4s. Also Ohm's law actually helps the situation. A given combination (gearing, weight, terrain) will draw a certain amount of watts. Ohm's law is watts = voltage multiplied by amps. So let's say you're drawing 50amps on 7.4v (2s) which equals 370 watts. Now take 370 watts and divide by 14.8, you get 25amps. Less amps means things run cooler. Without an amp meter there's no way to tell how many amps you're actually drawing but ohm's law is in effect regardless. The caveat here is the load must remain the same in order to draw the same wattage at 2s and 4s. We keep the load the same by keeping top speed the same which requires adjusting gearing. Sorry if that's a bunch of information just trying to illustrate some principles and show why 4s is better for all situations. The only advantage to parallel is the longer run time but even that is negated at least somewhat by the increased amp draw.
2. Gearing. You have Traxxas Titans and I'd go by Traxxas' recommendations. The 3906 manual lists 18/66 as the stock gearing and that they don't recommend going higher on the pinion or lower on the spur than that. Personally I'd go with 18/70 just to be a little safer and since you have those gears already. Monitor temps in 5min intervals and go from there. Remember you have 2 speeds in that truck which can reduce temps if you use low gear through stuff that creates a high load, tall grass, mud, when you're kind of stuck, etc.
Here's the manual for the truck https://traxxas.com/sites/default/fi...019-020823.pdf
3. Upgrades. It's very easy for upgrades to snowball on a Maxx truck and before you know it you have tons of $ invested. This is due in part to the truck needing a bunch of upgrades and so many upgrades being available. However if you stay brushed you're less likely to "need" upgrades unless you ram it into stuff constantly. The 3906 is also the least durable. I recommend only upgrading the steering with the steering bellcrank from a newer truck and use the black spring. There aren't any servo mounted servo savers that can handle turning tires that size, they simply flex too much. The newer Traxxas bellcrank has the servo saver built in and is tighter resulting in more positive steering. Maybe upgrading the diffs to the newer ones if you break the current ones.
Anything beyond that is not worth investing in the 3906 platform in my opinion. The trans can't handle brushless without upgrades that are long discontinued, the axles and driveshafts won't handle it either. Cvd axles aren't available for the old style knuckles of that truck requiring those to be upgraded too. See the snowball effect? If you want brushless get a newer EMaxx or better yet something other than an EMaxx and leave your 3906 mostly stock.
2. Gearing. You have Traxxas Titans and I'd go by Traxxas' recommendations. The 3906 manual lists 18/66 as the stock gearing and that they don't recommend going higher on the pinion or lower on the spur than that. Personally I'd go with 18/70 just to be a little safer and since you have those gears already. Monitor temps in 5min intervals and go from there. Remember you have 2 speeds in that truck which can reduce temps if you use low gear through stuff that creates a high load, tall grass, mud, when you're kind of stuck, etc.
Here's the manual for the truck https://traxxas.com/sites/default/fi...019-020823.pdf
3. Upgrades. It's very easy for upgrades to snowball on a Maxx truck and before you know it you have tons of $ invested. This is due in part to the truck needing a bunch of upgrades and so many upgrades being available. However if you stay brushed you're less likely to "need" upgrades unless you ram it into stuff constantly. The 3906 is also the least durable. I recommend only upgrading the steering with the steering bellcrank from a newer truck and use the black spring. There aren't any servo mounted servo savers that can handle turning tires that size, they simply flex too much. The newer Traxxas bellcrank has the servo saver built in and is tighter resulting in more positive steering. Maybe upgrading the diffs to the newer ones if you break the current ones.
Anything beyond that is not worth investing in the 3906 platform in my opinion. The trans can't handle brushless without upgrades that are long discontinued, the axles and driveshafts won't handle it either. Cvd axles aren't available for the old style knuckles of that truck requiring those to be upgraded too. See the snowball effect? If you want brushless get a newer EMaxx or better yet something other than an EMaxx and leave your 3906 mostly stock.
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Some people run 1/5 scale systems in their stock e-maxx
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Source: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NjM5OQ%3D%3D.2
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Source: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NjM5OQ%3D%3D.2
#6
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,049
From: Long Island, NY
Some people run 1/5 scale systems in their stock e-maxx
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Source: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NjM5OQ%3D%3D.2
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Source: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NjM5OQ%3D%3D.2
The 3903/5/8 on the other hand is much improved and the trans is basically bulletproof. Also the diffs and plastic sliders will last with big power if you drive it right, but stop being nice and they'll give up pretty quick. I went 3 seasons with stock drivetrain and no issues powered by a Castle 1520 on 6s, just gotta watch the finger. Although the plastic sliders did oval out the holes for the universals, but they didn't break!



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